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Author Topic:   Is there a legitimate argument for design?
JonF
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Message 101 of 638 (720335)
02-21-2014 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by RAZD
02-21-2014 2:30 PM


Re: science and life
In '67 I rode in the passenger seat of a hopped up Corvair, 80 mph, on the wide sidewalk on the campus of a local trade school. Drunk, of course. Stupid too.

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Message 201 of 638 (725077)
04-24-2014 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by Ed67
04-23-2014 7:10 PM


RE: Is there a legitimate argument for design?
The word a scientist uses to describe DNA is not probative.

DNA does not fit the definition of a code:


  • a system for communication by telegraph, heliograph, etc., in which long and short sounds, light flashes, etc., are used to symbolize the content of a message: Morse code.
  • a system used for brevity or secrecy of communication, in which arbitrarily chosen words, letters, or symbols are assigned definite meanings.
  • any set of standards set forth and enforced by a local government agency for the protection of public safety, health, etc., as in the structural safety of buildings (building code) health requirements for plumbing, ventilation, etc. (sanitary or health code) and the specifications for fire escapes or exits (fire code)
  • a systematically arranged collection or compendium of laws, rules, or regulations.
  • any authoritative, general, systematic, and written statement of the legal rules and principles applicable in a given legal order to one or more broad areas of life.

The first definition is closest, but there's no communication channel.


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Message 208 of 638 (725109)
04-24-2014 11:08 AM
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04-24-2014 10:01 AM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
do you really not understand that the code embedded in the DNA is the instructions for building the cell?

Absolutely nobody understands that except the gullible and ignorant. DNA does not contain a sequence of instructions as in a procedural computer language, nor does it contain a description of the desired result as in a non-procedural computer language. DNA is not analogous to computer code of any kind.


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Message 236 of 638 (725264)
04-25-2014 8:00 AM
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04-24-2014 11:55 PM


Re: What does the CODE in DNA do?
If you don't believe that, there's nothing i can do for you.

Oh, there's plenty you could do it you understood the issue.

If you can't make sense of what I've said so far, nothing I say will make sense to you.

Damn right. Have you reflected on the fact that nothing you have said (or, it seems, will say) makes sense to anybody?


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Message 293 of 638 (725540)
04-28-2014 9:06 AM


Some words form a statistician
At her blog Elizabeth Liddle posted a fascinating series on why it's impossible to calculate CSI per any of Dembski's various methods. The bottom line is, of course, that there's no way to enumerate and account for "all relevant chance hypotheses". But it's interesting to see the formalism and discussion of how Dembski fails so spectacularly.

The eleP(T|H)ant in the room
I think I just found an even bigger eleP(T|H)ant….
Trojan EleP(T|H)ant?
Quizzes, EleP(T|H)ants, Methods and Burdens of Proof.


  
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Message 596 of 638 (737233)
09-19-2014 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 593 by taiji2
09-19-2014 7:20 PM


Re: Current Summary
A lawyer could argue that your words were not inciting violence.

That lawyer would lose.

I will accede to Percy's request and not pile on with the 'Nam experience, tempted though I am.


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