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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Modern medical science is a Western achievement.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Jesus came to reverse the Fall in and through those who believe in Him, and that's what's happening If he'd mentioned anything about penicillin or an outline plan for a water treatment plant you might have a point, sadly we only got to stuff like that a few thousand years after your bloke shuffled off his mortal coil leaving us with zip except a few kind words.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 3714 days) Posts: 73 Joined: |
Yeah, and I meant to emphasize how little that mattered in this conversation. And when you say degeneration, do you losing genetic information, having the current info damaged, or what?
I also like how you contradict yourself by saying "it's not about the health of the mother". Well then why'd you bring that up! By your logic, DS isn't even a genetic problem, but God punishing us? What, like how AIDS was God's way to get rid of homosexuals?
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Lets work our way back to the topic and keep in mind that the Forum Guidelines need to be respected. Keep the arguments on the issues and not on the individuals who hold these beliefs.
Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
PlanManStan writes:
The Bible has relatively little to say about women having children. In some cases it is explicitly stated that men had their children with more than one wife; it's probably implicit in many other cases too.
When would they have had all their children? PlanManStan writes:
It wouldn't be a problem for anybody who was determined to avoid it.
Do you think this has any bearing on the fact that many biblical woman lived hundreds of years?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And when you say degeneration, do you losing genetic information, having the current info damaged, or what? Built-in healthy genetic info damaged by mutation.
I also like how you contradict yourself by saying "it's not about the health of the mother". Well then why'd you bring that up! I didn't, you misread me. The only thing I can find that you must have taken that way is in Message 5: "They were simply a lot more healthy than we are, so their babies were also healthier." I wasn't specifically talking about the mothers of the babies, I was talking about the whole population in general and ALL their babies in general, a general statement about the general inheritance of genetic factors, which in their time I believe were healthier than ours.
By your logic, DS isn't even a genetic problem, but God punishing us? What, like how AIDS was God's way to get rid of homosexuals? No, I said it is a genetic problem we've inherited due to the Fall. Diseases and death itself are our inheritance from the Fall.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
ringo writes: PlanManStan writes:
The Bible has relatively little to say about women having children. In some cases it is explicitly stated that men had their children with more than one wife; it's probably implicit in many other cases too.
When would they have had all their children?PlanManStan writes:
It wouldn't be a problem for anybody who was determined to avoid it. Do you think this has any bearing on the fact that many biblical woman lived hundreds of years? You could make a whole pitcher of dry martinis with that recipe."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Faith writes: Modern medical science is a Western achievement. West of what?"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 3714 days) Posts: 73 Joined:
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By our standards, Jesus was an Easterner. What is your point?
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 3714 days) Posts: 73 Joined: |
There is no damage done by mutation, only change. And by no means were they healthier a long time ago! What? That is the biggest piece of BS I've heard in a long time. I mean, you can't even prove the fall, so how are you just assuming that it is true? I mean, if we inherited it from the fall, along with all other diseases, why do animals have many of our diseases (AIDS, etc.)?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There is no damage done by mutation, only change. This is just as far from the truth as Faith's position. Of course mutation can result in damage. Not all mutations are beneficial. Some are detrimental with respect to their effect on an organism's survival to produce and raise offspring. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 3714 days) Posts: 73 Joined: |
No, no, you misread me (or I mispoke). There can definitely be damage done to the ANIMAL by means of a negative mutation, but I thought that Faith was talking about what physical damage to the genes themselves.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
but I thought that Faith was talking about what physical damage to the genes themselves. Altering a gene so that it produces a harmful consequence to an organism is physical damage.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1530 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Faith writes: Modern medical science is a Western achievement. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 3714 days) Posts: 73 Joined: |
Not neccesarily. Sometimes, yes, but that can also be indirectly harming the animal physically. That isn't damage, that is change that is not good. I'm confused what you mean. It could also not even qualify as damage, because in some cases (e.g. a peacock's tail feather length), it isn't damaging the organism, simply reducing how likely it is to reproduce. This is a pointless argument, as it is not the subject at hand
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