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Author Topic:   Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham
Diomedes
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Message 24 of 824 (718114)
02-04-2014 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Stile
02-04-2014 3:10 PM


Re: Tonight
My prediction:
Bill didn't really engage Ham's points at all, but made a bunch of jokes and entertained the kids for the science side.
Encore: Bill brings liquid nitrogen and the cool factor goes ballistic.
I am hoping Bill says to the kids: "Hey kids! Wanna see a demonstration of electricity?"
After which he pulls out a Tazer and zaps Ken Ham.

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Diomedes
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Message 37 of 824 (718182)
02-05-2014 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Dr Adequate
02-05-2014 9:22 AM


Re: Disappointing
It is indeed one of the foundational stupidities of creationism. But as Modulous points out, deploying this bit of idiocy in this debate is shooting himself in the foot.
Indeed. And if he adheres to that logic, as Faith does, then they have to admit they cannot have any veracity to their own interpretations of what scripture has stated. If the 'you weren't there' argument was as sound as Faith or Ken Ham stipulate, then they should not have such a dogmatic adherence to what is indicated in the story of Genesis. Because they weren't there either. It's a moronic viewpoint and is tantamount to the 'I know you are but what am I' tactic that I remember from the 2nd grade.

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Message 42 of 824 (718205)
02-05-2014 1:26 PM
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02-05-2014 12:29 PM


Re: As expected
People will tend to take from this "debate" (two people talking past each other) is what they believed\accepted before.
That is usually the case. And for the most part, debates such as these yield little in the way of any real progress one way or the other. Debates are often 'won' by who is the best talker, not who necessarily produces the most sound arguments and evidence. That is how lawyers function.

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Message 49 of 824 (718223)
02-05-2014 3:31 PM
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02-05-2014 2:56 PM


Again, yes, creationists are in the same position with respect to the prehistoric past EXCEPT that we DO have a written witness that constrains our theorizing, and again it's all a war of interpretations and plausibilities.
Who precisely was the written witness to the story of Genesis?

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Message 440 of 824 (719490)
02-14-2014 1:40 PM
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02-14-2014 11:40 AM


Re: This debate was typical creationist pap vs science
and the final question was "what would make you change your mind/"
Nye: "evidence"
Ham: "Nothing"
And therein lies the ultimate rub. Who is being close-minded? The individual indicating that something can alter their view and opinion or the individual that says nothing will alter their view or opinion?
What do most church folks say? The Truth.
What is the motto of the Science Channel? Question EVERYTHING.
Makes me wonder which is dogmatic and which is open to new ideas....

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