Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham

Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.Go ahead, keep slaves, but gosh it sure would be swell if you didn't treat them so badly.

Is that similar to the way that you would not listen to him if he told you that he used evolution to create and maintain the biosphere?

IIRC some of the Gods described in the Old Testament had ways of persuasion that went beyond just taking people where they are. Seems there were stories of the God character bringing down fire and brimstone, plagues, killing the first born children, confusing all their languages, turning folk into pillars of salt, sending bears to rend them, even flooding them all out simply for disobeying that God's wishes. When they didn't listen to her she was more than capable of effective dope slaps at least in the stories.

Sure you did, though usually indirectly or you soften it with euphemisms, for example this from your Message 1943 in the Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men? thread: Or this from Message 1888 in the same thread: Or this from Message 1782: Or this from Message 1775: Or this from Message 1551: Or this from Message 1351: I was hoping to find where you said you hoped judgment day would come soon so that we wouldn't have to wait long to see how wrong we were, but I didn't come across it.--Percy

How impotent is your god?And if he was so wise to figure that one out then why did he put that damned tree right in the middle of the garden?No, this just doesn't add up. You've just offered a post-hoc rationalization of something you can't explain.

If you know the Old Testament at all you should know that the history of Israel was of disobedience to God down the centuries until they were finally brought under severe judgment. Only makes sense that He would avoid pushing them to do something that would be a real hardship for them to do. Abolishing slavery had to wait until a more opportune time in history.

But giving up killing, stealing, sex and lying, that's a piece of cake.

Getting your wanger wanged as part of the initiation is just a piece of cake too I imagine.

Where in the Bible does God tell Israel to abandon slavery?God never does, of course, but that's a side issue. The unanswered question is what legitimate reasons, specifically, does Ken Ham have for seeking an exception to First Amendment principles regarding separation of church and state.--Percy

Well yeah, that's why it doesn't makes sense to say that he couldn't tell them to not have slaves because they wouldn't accept it... They didn't obey much of his stuff anyways so he should have just went ahead and said that slavery was bad too.That you rationalize slavery with the excuse that they wouldn't listen is just a post-hoc rationalization and a very human, and ungodly, excuse for the behavior.The fact that slavery was not disowned is also another reason to realize that we're dealing with the words of men. An omnipotent and benevolent god would have just condemned slavery in his book, and then dealt with the ramifications of his people not being able to accept it. You know, kinda like he did with all the rest of the stuff they couldn't accept. That is contradicted by all the other times that god did push them to do something that would be a real hardship for them to do.Like putting that damned tree right in the middle of the garden with the foreknowledge that they would eat from it.He knew that and he also knew that they couldn't do without slavery, but he didn't hide the tree and he also didn't condemn slavery. That just doesn't make sense. Shenanigans. That's just you making up a post-hoc excuse.There are plenty of other things that were abolished that we can't really do.You know how you tell us that we're all terrible sinners in God's eyes and we simply can't hold up to his morality?Why don't you apply the same argument there: he needs to wait until a more opportune time in history.

No, none of it was a piece of cake, but if even the moral law is impossible to follow, why would God impose the physical hardship of the loss of a slave's work on them as well? In a way it would also be a hardship for the slaves themselves since many of the slaves in ancient Israel had become slaves to pay off a debt they couldn't otherwise pay, so what then? Debtor's prison? Which didn't exist in those days.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But that time came, somewhere around 33 AD when God sacrificed Jesus on the cross to pay our debt for all those commands we couldn't keep. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So the God you try to market was either unwilling or incapable of saying "Thou shalt free the slaves and pay them for the work they do!"Got it.

So after Jesus it was okay to keep slaves and know you would get forgiven for the evil you do.Your God is a real asshole isn't she?Got it.

You're still not making sense.God created us with a insatiable sex-drive but forbids us to have impure sexual thoughts.But you know what, not having slaves is too hard so that's cool - have at them.I'm sorry, but this has to be one of the most retarded arguments you could make.