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Author Topic:   Two types of science
JonF
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Message 38 of 184 (715937)
01-10-2014 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by PaulK
01-10-2014 1:58 AM


Re: Other sources of knowledge
Dembski is a creationist, and a leading light in the Intelligent Design movement. Odd how you forgot to mention that.
Not much of a leading light anymore, he hasn't done anything for years and can't even hold down a job at a third-tier seminary. He's a full time shill for the Discovery Institute now.

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JonF
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Message 94 of 184 (716191)
01-13-2014 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by herebedragons
01-13-2014 8:46 AM


Re: Other sources of knowledge
We believe that God has charged us to care for the earth; that should be one of our primary purposes in life.
Alas, that's not a universal belief among those who call themselves Christians.

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JonF
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Message 125 of 184 (716362)
01-15-2014 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by PaulK
01-15-2014 1:56 AM


Re: There's only one type of science
Can American education point out the Piltdown Man is a fraud, even though it embarrasses Scientiology ?
LOL wut?

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JonF
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Message 126 of 184 (716363)
01-15-2014 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by RAZD
01-15-2014 7:15 AM


Re: falsification
... Evolutionists demand proof that NO Darwinian pathway could have formed it, requiring an impossible, infinite search. ID is actually more falsifiable than evolution.
No, marc9000 -- that is what ID claims is true, they set themselves up. All anybody need do is ask for substantiation of that claim. Science is founded on evidence.
I think you could be misunderstood. ID in the person of Bill Dembski claimed to be able to demonstrate that no Darwinian pathway could have formed, by usong his Explanatory Filter. He even made an attempt to apply the EF to a bacterial flagellum by proving that it is incredibly unlikely that a bunch of molecules spontaneously assembled to form a flagellum. That is, he tested a ludicrous hypothesis that no mainstream biologist would seriously entertain for an instant. No wonder we haven't heard anything about the EF since then.
Of course it's his filter that requires one to be able to enumerate all the possible Darwinian pathways.
No biologist has ever demanded proof that no possible Darwinian pathway can lead to a flagellum. (Maybe some Internet discussers have). ID has claimed to have such proof. It doesn't

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JonF
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Message 130 of 184 (716378)
01-15-2014 12:41 PM
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01-15-2014 11:56 AM


Re: Other sources of knowledge
Is this what you mean by "take dominion of it"?
It might well be. The Dominionist movement is fanatically anti-environmental, and most of them believe the Rapture is near so it just doesn't matter.

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