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Author Topic:   Human Induced Global warming is just another conjob for the ignorant.
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Message 1 of 65 (716092)
01-12-2014 11:32 AM


Over in the thread Two types of science in Message 69 marc9000 said "Human induced global warming hasn’t been proven to be true."

That's another of those truly stupid ideas marketed by truly dishonest conmen to the truly incapable of critical thinking US conservative public.

The fact is that whether global warming is human induced or not is totally irrelevant and in fact the very BEST case scenario would be if global warming were solely human induced.

When a comment like "Human induced global warming hasn’t been proven to be true." is introduced it is time to tune that source out. It is why "public opinion" should be excluded totally from science.

But why do I say that?

There are two questions to be answered first; "Is global warming happening.", and second, "Will there be consequences from global warming we must address?"

So far the preponderance of evidence shows the former is in fact happening and almost all projections show that there will be major consequences to address.

Since the answer to those two questions appears to be "Yes!", what possible actions can we take?

One is to try to reduce the factors that might be causing global warming and so let's look a what could be done in that endeavor.

Can we reduce the natural processes involved, volcanoes, solar cycles, position of the earth, the Milankovitch Cycles or other such natural processes?

Honestly, "Nope!"

So that only leaves those processes and practices that are human induced.

All we have to work with are the human induced processes and effect.

But wait, there is more.

The smaller the percentage of human induced global warming in relation to the combined natural and human contribution, the MORE we must reduce that human contribution if we are to have any effect.

Those interests marketing the snake-oil "Human induced global warming hasn’t been proven to be true.", are simply trying to palm the pea, misdirect attention, con the rubes, fleece the sheep, pull the wool over all eyes.

It is a totally irrelevant tactic to avoid addressing what must be done.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 4 of 65 (716096)
01-12-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Thugpreacha
01-12-2014 11:38 AM


Re: Is Global Warming Natural or Artificial?
The only part that we can address though when it comes to slowing global warming is the human induced portion.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 7 of 65 (716099)
01-12-2014 12:36 PM
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01-12-2014 12:02 PM


Why?
But before we spend huge sums of money on one fix or another, it would make sense to determine to what extent humans are contributing to the warming.

Why?

Fix one or another is just another conjob.

We know many things we could do to reduce human induced contributions and so why not begin addressing those?

Why not do both?

We also need to address and debate the consequences and so any dicussion on how big human contributions are is just wasted effort.

Move on.


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Message 10 of 65 (716108)
01-12-2014 1:33 PM
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01-12-2014 1:15 PM


Re: Why?
Before we can effectively address and debate the consequences it might be wise to have a better understanding of the exact problem.

And if the contributions from humans are insignificant, and don't change anything, the money would be far better spent elsewhere.

Well we know it is not insignificant, we can measure the contribution and in much of the world even see it. In addition, it also is indicative of waste and faulty processes.


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Message 20 of 65 (716134)
01-12-2014 6:26 PM


It is still true that we can only address the human induced part.
The fact remains that slowing the rate of global warming that we can address is the human induced components. Reducing those may not avoid or stop global warming but it will change the time line to deal with the effects and consequences.

Right now, we are not doing anything about either global warming itself or the consequences but instead arguing about whose fault it is.

Utterly stupid behavior.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 42 of 65 (716516)
01-18-2014 9:10 AM
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01-17-2014 8:45 PM


Re: Repent! The end is nigh!
This is why it is a really good idea to figure out which way the frog should jump before we put all of our available wealth into one direction or the other.

Then it is a damn good thing no one has ever suggested that.


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