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bio evolution, light, sound and aroma

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01-19-2014 1:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Col2v8
01-19-2014 9:23 AM

Re: To Know Or Not To Know
Collosians2:8 writes:
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... how did a cell evolve and organise itself in the first place to know that light impacting on it could be used as energy...
How did you know that a ball could be used as a toy? You tried it and it worked. If it didn't work, if it wasn't fun - e.g. if it bit you - you would have tried something else.
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01-26-2014 1:37 PM 		Reply to: Message 49 by AndrewPD
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The description people are using here is loaded to try and exorcise anything that requires non mechanical entities.
Yes, that exorcism is known as "objectivity". Without it, we'd have to reckon with everybody's subjective ideas about "non mechanical entities".
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01-27-2014 11:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 86 by AndrewPD
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Now if someone was investigation how an artefact was created should they rule out the possibility that something like the Pyramids was inspired by a mental state like a dream or desire or fantasy?
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I see no valid reason to rule out entities that may be invisible to us being behind the behaviours observed in reality.
The problem is that people who think mental states have a non-mechanical component don't agree on what that component is. That's why we objectively exorcise the non-mechanical possibilities. Only looking at the mechanical possibilities may be a handicap but it gives us some common ground to work from.
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02-04-2014 11:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 130 by AndrewPD
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When you know the dispositions of glass you know that it wouldn't be a suitable material for making certain things with because of its disposition to shatter.
So knowing about that "disposition" would have prevented us from inventing fiberglass.
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