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Message 8 of 142 (716543)
01-18-2014 8:49 PM
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01-18-2014 2:42 PM


Photo-synthesis, which depends on light, was very early (think algae).

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Message 70 of 142 (717248)
01-25-2014 1:49 PM
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01-25-2014 1:40 PM


Have you not had thoughts, dreams, imaginations and ideas?
Yes. Yet, I have no evidence for them.
Thoughts, dreams, imaginations, ideas are not things. They lack thingness. People have made nouns out of those words, but it does not follow that they exist as actual things.

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Message 95 of 142 (717380)
01-26-2014 9:48 PM
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01-25-2014 2:19 PM


The problem is we have immediate personal experience of our mental and conscious states "I think there for I am".
I don't see that as any kind of problem. The idea that it is a problem seems confused.
If science can't objectively see them that is a limit to sciences scope.
Since they are subjective, not objective, why would you expect (or want) science to "objectively see them"?
People like Daniel Dennet and The Churchlands want to undermine this domains validity so that they can claim it is less than it is but unfortunately I am an authority on my experiences.
No, you are not any kind of authority on them. You have misunderstood the meaning of "authority".
I see no valid reason to sacrifice this mental immediate realm for an ideologically loaded materialist dogma.
Nobody is sacrificing anything, as best I can tell -- unless you count woo-meisters sacrificing their credibility.

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Message 106 of 142 (717479)
01-28-2014 12:32 AM
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01-26-2014 11:35 PM


The fact that private mental states exist means there are private entities in reality.
I suppose that depends on what you mean by "entity" and what you mean by "reality".
Personally, I have standards that don't allow consider what you call "private entities" to be entities at all. Without standards, you would have to allow gnomes, gremlins, tooth fairies, ghosts, and all kinds of nonsense entities.
I think it is a mistake to think that mechanical explanations somehow transcend the original conscious experience we live in.
I'm not sure what point you think you are making there. For myself, I do not suggest that everything has a mechanical explanation. As I see it, we value the mechanical explanations from science because they are very useful. There is no need to assume that they constitute a complete explanation of everything.

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