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Author Topic:   bio evolution, light, sound and aroma
NoNukes
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Message 16 of 142 (716571)
01-19-2014 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Col2v8
01-18-2014 2:42 PM


ny explanation as to how biological evolution (natural selection) first 'knew' that there was such a thing as light in the universe,
Natural selection cannot "know" anything. Natural selection is simply the name given to the process whereby those most critters most likely to survive and reproduce like organisms end up constituting the population over time.
As for how senses developed, let's take hearing. Sound is simply a pressure wave oscillation transmitted to the atmosphere. Every organism, including those which are completely deaf, is sensitive to pressure of some magnitude. But those organisms with more sensitivity can determine more about their surroundings so that they are more likely to find food and avoid being eaten.
Assigning human characteristics to something you don't understand invariably leads to muddled thinking. In this case, goofy anthropomorphization seems to be the complete basis for even asking the question. Part of the process of evolution is the introduction of random variations. It turns out that random variation selected by natural processes can produce results of exactly the type you ask about here.

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I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
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NoNukes
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Message 114 of 142 (717582)
01-29-2014 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by New Cat's Eye
01-27-2014 11:08 AM


AndrewPD writes:
Because science doesn't have a methodology for discerning design and intelligence, meaning and mental content in nature.
Oh, but it does.
You can tell that a rock was intelligently designed when it contains features that do not occur naturally, like a bulb of percussion, striking platform, bulbar scar, and percussion ripples.
I think AndrewPD is correct on this point. Science does not have a way to identify design in nature. That truism is one reason why ID is not science. In fact none of the stuff advocated by Andrew PD is science. AndrewPD asserts that design, intelligence, and meaning are present in nature. He then backs up that assertion with bad arguments.
What you've described here is how we identify artifacts made by humans. In fact your process for identification explicitly requires features that do not occur naturally.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 119 of 142 (717797)
02-01-2014 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by AndrewPD
02-01-2014 12:34 PM


These twins Abigail and Brittany are an example of a united body but two separate conscious locations to occupy.
We can also note the two heads on that united body. Surely you saw that too? For which side are you arguing here?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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