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ringo
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Message 361 of 603 (791779)
09-21-2016 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by NoNukes
09-20-2016 2:13 PM


NoNukes writes:
That kind of evidence might implicate someone, but it is dubious as evidence to clear any particular person or persons.
So somebody else touched JonBenet but the family is still suspect? Come on. That's like saying that evidence for evolution is not evidence against creationism.

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1.61803
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Message 362 of 603 (791793)
09-21-2016 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by ringo
09-21-2016 3:09 PM


The family is still suspect because the case has not been solved.
The DNA evidence used to clear them is suspect for various reasons the main one being the department chose to drop down to 4 genetic markers rather than the standard at the time of 13. And the unreliability of using touch DNA in a case where the crime scene was completely contaminated.
The family is still suspect because the intruder theory does not pass the smell test and just about all involved in the investigation believed it was contrived.
The family is still suspect because Burke had motive, means, and opportunity to commit this crime and his parents had motive means and opportunity to cover it up for him.
The family is still suspect because they were not charged even though in 2013 it was revealed the grand jury did in fact come back with a motion to indite them, yet the DA at the time refused to charge them.
"If you eliminate the impossible, then what remains however improbable must be the truth." ~Sherlock Holmes

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Dr Adequate
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Message 363 of 603 (791800)
09-21-2016 6:59 PM



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NoNukes
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Message 364 of 603 (791805)
09-21-2016 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by ringo
09-21-2016 3:09 PM


redundant.
Edited by NoNukes, : Already answered

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

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Pressie
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Message 365 of 603 (791817)
09-22-2016 9:41 AM
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09-21-2016 6:59 PM


Goodness gracious. And that guy can vote? I hope that I'm more closely related to Chimps than to that complete idiot. At least some Chimps are relatively intelligent.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Message 366 of 603 (791818)
09-22-2016 10:09 AM
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09-22-2016 9:41 AM


You can get most anything at Central Casting.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios My Website: My Website

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ringo
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Message 367 of 603 (791823)
09-22-2016 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by 1.61803
09-21-2016 6:10 PM


~1.6 writes:
The family is still suspect because the intruder theory does not pass the smell test and just about all involved in the investigation believed it was contrived.
We seem to be operating on completely different sets of facts. I would have said that the family theory doesn't pass the smell test and Burke had neither motive nor means.
But maybe you know something I don't know.
~1.6 writes:
... the grand jury did in fact come back with a motion to indite them, yet the DA at the time refused to charge them.
You could convince a grand jury to indict Napoleon for killing Jesus. The DA refused to prosecute because there was no case.
The whole thing reminds me of "Who shot JFK?" and "Did we really put a man on the moon?". It's just a rehash of the same old nonsense.

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1.61803
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Message 368 of 603 (791849)
09-23-2016 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 367 by ringo
09-22-2016 11:57 AM


Ringo writes:
Burke had neither motive nor means.
Burke's motive was jealousy. It is a fact that he did smear his feces over JBR bed and toys and chocolates 24 hrs before the murder. It is a fact that he has in the past, hit his sister in the face with a golf club. It has been reported by other family friends that Burke did have anger issues.
Burke's means is that he had the physical strength as a 9 year old to inflict a fatal blow to his 6 year old sisters head with a heavy blunt object (Maglight matches the open fracture in victims skull). He also had access to the murder weapon.
Burke's opportunity is that he was in the house at the time the crime occurred and has no alibi of being elsewhere.
If this is not enough to warrant suspicion I don't know what is.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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ringo
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Message 369 of 603 (791853)
09-23-2016 11:39 AM
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09-23-2016 10:05 AM


~1.6 writes:
If this is not enough to warrant suspicion I don't know what is.
So there's no actual evidence, just suspicion. Classical conspiracy theory.

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1.61803
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Message 370 of 603 (791855)
09-23-2016 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by ringo
09-23-2016 11:39 AM


Hi Ringo, I wont spoon feed you all the evidence and particulars of this case. There is enough of that available online for you to read if you are interested.
I will say that the DA at the time torpedoed this investigation from the start by refusing to issue search warrants, providing the Ramsey's ahead of their interviews with transcripts of the police reports, which is unheard of. In addition, the Bolder Police's fecklessness in failing to secure the crime scene and forensics incompetence in gathering evidence. The lead investigator resigned the case after the DA alluded that the decision not to charge was a "political decision."
If it is a conspiracy theory it is one founded on the idea that white rich privilege has poisoned our justice system in this instance. Given the particulars of how this crime was investigated it is not a forgone conclusion imo.
So paint me as a conspiracy theorist loon if you like,
don't mind a bit.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 371 of 603 (791856)
09-23-2016 12:44 PM
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09-23-2016 12:27 PM


~1.6 writes:
So paint me as a conspiracy theorist loon if you like,
don't mind a bit.
Conspiracy theorists paint themselves.

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1.61803
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Message 372 of 603 (791857)
09-23-2016 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by ringo
09-23-2016 12:44 PM


It seems to also be a common ploy to discredit someone with legitimate criticisms.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 373 of 603 (791858)
09-23-2016 12:57 PM
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09-23-2016 12:55 PM


~1.6 writes:
It seems to also be a common ploy to discredit someone with legitimate criticisms.
Yes, there's often a conspiracy to discredit conspiracy theorists. Funny how that works.

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Message 374 of 603 (791860)
09-23-2016 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by ringo
09-23-2016 12:57 PM


On the other hand
~1.6 does have a point in that the Ramseys were treated differently from the average case.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26

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Dr Adequate
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Message 375 of 603 (791861)
09-23-2016 5:17 PM


Pastor Ernest
Flat-Earther, anti-Semite, conspiracy theorist, what's not to love?
YHWHS Flat and Stationary Earth

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