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Author Topic:   How the NT quotes Tanach texts
NoNukes
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Message 4 of 61 (717674)
01-30-2014 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
01-30-2014 3:30 AM


Re: OT must be understood through the NT
Just for a minor point, the disputed "almah" was ALWAYS understood to mean a virgin.

If this were true, it would be a major point in your favor. But the statement is instead highly contentious and is the focus of many arguments. I'd love to see your proof of this point.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 15 of 61 (717740)
01-31-2014 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Faith
01-30-2014 11:46 PM


Re: OT must be understood through the NT
There is another book I was looking for that I can't find that may refer to it and if I find it and it does discuss this passage I will post on it, a book by a Christian Jew about pre-Christian rabbinical writings.

The problem with citing some single book as an authority is that there is tons of discussion and research on this point all reaching different conclusions.

Most of the discussions I found online emphasize that for the Jews to translate "almah" as "parthenos" in the Septuagint

I don't think a discussion count is all that persuasive, but Parthenos is not restricted to virgins in the Septuagint.

If the girl in Ahaz' time was married, "Betulah" which specifically refers to a virgin wouldn't have worked, but "Almah" works for both situations, the current and the future prophetic. The name "Immanuel" is a pointer to its prophetic meaning.

Do you think this strengthens your argument?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 48 of 61 (718382)
02-06-2014 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Dawn Bertot
02-01-2014 9:34 PM


Bertot, master of logic?
These are the kind of statements that make you a filthy, unobjective, intellectually dishonest liar.

As best as I can tell, your position is that secular fundamental humanists don't accept that Isaiah is prophecy, and thus don't deserve anything like an explanation of why you believe what you believe.

That's fine, except for the fact that we are in the science forums. In particular the 'Accuracy and Inerrancy' forum is the place where questioning the accuracy of the Bible and Christians interpretations of OT and NT is the legitimate topic for discussion. That's the entire purpose of the forum.

This thread was started not by Paul, but by a non Christian who is decidedly neither a secular humanist nor an atheist. Your answer, which is essentially that believers believe, and everyone else is a lying piece of scum is simply not on topic here. I don't expect or ask you to change, but I do want you to understand why your claim to be the logical person in this discussion is clearly wrong.

I have no illusion that you will change your mind, or that you will make any attempt to offer an on topic answer. I expect you to do what you've always done regardless of whether the topic is evolution, Intelligent Design, or the Bible. Namely, rant, toss out illogic, and throw out insults. Your reputation precedes you whenever you post here.

And for a completely off topic question, as a Christian reading your posts, I have to wonder if you have ever been involved in winning a soul for Christ. Because I cannot imagine a lost soul staying within hearing distance of you for long enough to hear about Jesus.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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