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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Welcome to the fray jaf
Show me evidence of a transitional fossil ... Easy: A Smooth Fossil Transition: Pelycodus
quote: Every fossil in that record is a transitional fossil, intermediate between generations lower in the column and generations higher in the column. The column represents relative age but the Law of Superposition.
... proving the whacky theory of evolution, ... Why am I so amused that creationists just don't understand that scientific theories are never proven, and that whenever they say silly things like this, all they are demonstrating is their scientific illiteracy. Or understanding that words do not disprove or refute theory, and silly name calling just demonstrates a lack of understanding -- whether by stupidity, ignorance, delusion, confusion or willful misrepresentations doesn't matter.
(1) The process of evolution involves changes in the composition of hereditary traits, and changes to the frequency of their distributions within breeding populations from generation to generation, in response to ecological challenges and opportunities. If we look at the continued effects of evolution over many generations, the accumulation of changes from generation to generation may become sufficient for individuals to develop combinations of traits that are observably different from the ancestral parent population. This lineal change within species is sometimes called phyletic change in species, or phyletic speciation. This is also sometimes called arbitrary speciation in that the place to draw the line between linearly evolved genealogical populations is subjective, and because the definition of species in general is tentative and sometimes arbitrary. If phyletic speciation was all that occurred, then all life would be one species, readily sharing DNA via horizontal transfer (asexual) and interbreeding (sexual) and various combinations. This is not the case, however, because there is a second process that results in multiple species and increases the diversity of life.
(2) The process of divergent speciation involves the division of a parent population into two or more reproductively isolated daughter populations, which then are free to (micro) evolve independently of each other. With multiple speciation events, a pattern is formed that looks like a branching bush or tree: the tree of descent from common ancestor populations. Each branching point is a node for a clade of the parent species at the node point and all their descendants, and with multiple speciation events we see a pattern form of clades branching from parent ancestor species and nesting within larger clades branching from older parent ancestor species.
(3) The Theory of Evolution (ToE), stated in simple terms, is that the process of evolution over generations, and the process of divergent speciation, are sufficient to explain the diversity of life as we know it, from the fossil record, from the genetic record, from the historic record, and from everyday record of the life we observe in the world all around us. This theory is tested by experiments and field observations carried out as part of the science of evolution. Not only that but the formation of nested hierarchies is confirmed by a second totally unrelated methodology, genetics and the branching hierarchy found in DNA of related species -- evidence that should not be expected if evolution were false, and evidence that reinforces morphological hierarchies and confirms the overall pattern of evolution. There is, of course, a whole lot more to the rational scientific study of evolution, and we could hardly hope to condense it down into a post or two for the necessary remedial education in this science that some people need. There are however other resources for those who want to learn (and hence countermand\correct their ignorance\confusion\delusion) ... but you have to want to learn. One good source is: An introduction to evolution - Understanding Evolution The process of evolution has been observed occurring in virtually every living population of species, and thus the process of evolution is a known fact of the natural world. Divergent speciation has been observed occurring, and thus the process of divergent speciation is a known fact of the natural world. The theory that these can explain the diversity of life has been extensively tested, and not one instance of any anomalies that don't fit into a pattern of nested hierarchies and relationships through common ancestor populations.
... you should if it where true have millions and yet you have None. ... Curiously a short time googling scientific websites (rather than creationist ones) will show you that there are a mountain of fossils that show evolution has occurred in the past. Here is an example of a few more than 65 million transitional fossils in just one genera: web.archive.org/web/19990203140657/gly.fsu.edu/tour/article_7.html
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Lunacy the whole idea is a luciferian Freemason hoax. Ah, I understand, you suffer from delusions ... sorry. My sympathy.
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
Haven't you decided that all creationists are spoofs and jokes regardless of what they say? Are these pictures a joke as evidence? please name the items and their location and show how they are deemed to be transitional species. And you thought this was so easy huh? Edited by Jaf, : No reason given. Edited by AdminModulous, : hidden
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined:
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Thanks razd
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
HAvent you decided that all creationists are spoofs and jokes egardless go what they say. Are these pictures a joke as evidence, please name the items and their location and show how they are deemed to be transitional species, you thought this was so easy huh. The moderators have asked us to stay on topic; if you wish to display your grotesque ignorance of the fossil record you'll have to do it on another thread.
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
They may have asked you to stay on topic, how about you do that?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Most evolutionists seem to have serious issues with the character of God, ... A statement that is demonstrably false, not only are there many scientists around the world that are religious (with a number of different religions represented) but many in the USA are Christians. See Radiometric Dating, A Christian Perspective, Dr. Roger C. Wiens . Further evidence is found with the clergy letter project Now if you have issues with these people not believing the "correct" religion in the "correct" manner ... and only your version appears to have trouble with science in general and evolution in particular ... then I suggest the problem is in you, not the religious scientists. Science includes people of all faiths and beliefs, from atheists to zoroastrians ...
... why not the character of a man who belived half of us to be savages worthy of extinction? It doesn't matter. He was a man of his times and was influenced by his cultural ties, but who and what he was is irrelevant to science. Science does not depend on people's beliefs and opinions or their character -- science depends on the scientific method -- observation -- hypothesis -- prediction -- testing -- review and repeat ... a continually ongoing process. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Darwin predicted that around about now "At some future period, not very distant, as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly (almost certainly, a favourite evolutionist interpretation of a proven fact) exterminate and replace throughout the world, the savage races" Now that we know about genetics and genotypes evolutionists today would more likely predict that all the different varieties of humans would become increasingly blended over time because of the global access to all corners of the earth. Let's assume that Darwin's prediction is now falsified ... does that mean that his theory of the origin of species by means of natural selection is falsified? No, because we have seen this validated, not just in the evolution visible in virtually every living species from generation to generation, but speciation has been observed as well. These observances are facts that validate the theory. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hitler allegedly was a big fan of Darwin's clearly racist views in that he was able to "scientifically supported" exterminate the "sub human" Jew in the aid of furthering evolution with the full support of Darwin's "science". Irrelevant. Many dictators have been known to "borrow" things they believe supports their views, that doesn't mean that the science of evolution predicts or produces dictators. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Then you will also know the fossil record and lack of any evolving inter species type fossils would have woken any thinking humanoid by now, but in imagine you are now progressing the illness by teaching it too. Oh dear. This is very confused thinking -- what is an "inter species type" ??? Or are you under educated on how evolution actually works?
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
You know what I mean College.
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
I'm afraid your avatar is inducing grand mal epileptic seizures, any chance you can change it as I cant take a buck toothed cartoon character seriously?
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
Your Pied Piper The Princess of Dorkness Dick Dorkins has a few serious emotional resentments againts bible God, perhaps he is over that now, I don't know, the humanist manifesto rag "The God Delusion" was a clear demonstration of Evolutionist issues with the character of God
Last time I checked the Dorkins website T-shirts with this printed on it had SOLD OUT IN ALL SIZES, Id say that's evidence showing you to be in denial. The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Umm yeah, take some medication dickey!
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Jaf Member (Idle past 3715 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
You cant "falsify" a theory it isn't required. Natural selection is a fact.
Cats evolving into to dogs is a fairy tale as is Darwins fantasy of descending from a baboon or a courageous little Monkey. LOL. As is whales having legs walking the earth then deciding they liked the sea better and going back. LOL LOL. Edited by Jaf, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 326 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
You cant "falsify" a theory it isn't required. Natural selection is a fact. Cats evolving into to dogs is a fairy tale as is Darwins fantasy of descending from a baboon or a courageous little Monkey. LOL. As is whales having legs walking the earth then deciding they liked the sea better and going back. LOL LOL. LOL rOFL LMAO whats funny is your lack of understanding on the subject. A theory hasto be falsifiable else its not science. Falsefiable like evolution finding fossils of critters where one shouldent would blow a serious hole in evolution, finding that among different animals that look related dna shows no sighn of it being of common descent would seriously blow evolution out of the water. A new species unrelated to any pooping in to existence during the super bowl would blow a serious hole in evolution...... What would falsify creationism in your opinion. Since in every sane educated persons opinion it has been falsified way way beyond reasonable doubt. What would falsify god? what would i have to find Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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They may have asked you to stay on topic, how about you do that? I think when AdminModulous said "everybody" he was including you. But perhaps your unique powers of reasoning give you a different take on this.
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