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Tanypteryx
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Message 9 of 614 (718410)
02-06-2014 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
02-06-2014 2:54 PM


Re: Nonsense labels
Faith writes:

Idiot.

How sweet of you to notice!

We can always count on you to raise the level of discourse here.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 109 of 614 (719295)
02-12-2014 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
02-12-2014 6:04 PM


Re: Science? Ha!
Faith writes:

There is not one useful constructive thing you can do with the ToE. All the genuine sciences it affects are merely corrupted by it, but they manage to contribute valid information in spite of it. But the ToE is a lie, the most pernicious delusion ever foisted on humanity, supported nevertheless by a whole battalion of scientists who pride themselves on their ability to think but can't think their way out of this tissue of cobwebs, this sheer fantasy. They just go on believing in it because there is no clear way to prove it wrong, because it IS all nothing but imaginative interpretation, so every fact that comes to hand gets swallowed up by it. And meanwhile it goes on destroying culture, human dignity, social stability, the meaning of life, and Truth. And you all aggressively defend it.

You misinterpret DNA, you misinterpret mutations, you misinterpret the fossils, you misinterpret the strata, you misinterpret the archaeological record, you misinterpret history, you get it all wrong but you hate those so much who try to show it to you there's no saving you from it.

So stew in it.

Here, I fixed it for you.

There is not one useful constructive thing you can do with YEC. All the sciences would be totally corrupted by it if anyone was stupid enough to believe it, but Science and the TOE manage to contribute valid information because creationists are known to lie about everything and will never contribute any useful knowledge. All creationism is a lie, the most pernicious delusion ever foisted on humanity, supported nevertheless by a whole battalion of ignorant fanatics who arrogantly pride themselves on their ability to think but it is all a delusional fantasy. They just go on believing in it because they ignore the evidence that proves it wrong, because it IS all nothing but unimaginative lies, so every fact that comes to hand gets twisted or lied about. And meanwhile creationism goes on trying to destroy culture, human dignity, social stability, the meaning of life, Truth and education. And you aggressively defend it.

Faith, you misinterpret DNA, you misinterpret mutations, you misinterpret the fossils, you misinterpret the strata, you misinterpret the archaeological record, you misinterpret history, you get it all wrong, and you hate those so much, who try to show you the truth. There's no saving you from it.

Have a nice day.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 177 of 614 (731921)
07-01-2014 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
07-01-2014 3:44 PM


Re: Siccar Point
unlike the standard interpretation of angular unconformities and other opinions by geologists. Ya know, this is so obvious and incontrovertible, for you all to be arguing with it is, well, nuts.

What is obvious and incontrovertible is that is that your continuous insults and belittlement of anyone who disagrees with you and asks you for evidence, will never convince anyone that you know anything about the subjects that you talk about.

You have not demonstrated that you know a single thing about science, about geology, about what can be observed by anyone who looks at the rocks or even the basic understanding of the simplest principals of the behavior of water and sediments.

Layered sediments refute your flood, layered fossils refute your flood, the Grand Canyon refutes your flood, Monument Valley refutes your flood, the Grand Staircase refutes your flood. In fact, all the evidence on this planet refutes your flood.

You ignore everything that refutes your flood with "Oh yeah, the layers were deposited in water so that proves the flood." That's all you've got. It is a joke.

Your silly scenario ignores the bulk of the evidence while ours explains it all. True science, real science accounts for all the evidence, not just the few little dribbles that you want to consider.

In the course of these long discussions about geology and biology everything you have said is fantasies made up in your head. You cannot explain any of the details that have been pointed out to you hundreds and hundreds of times and you just keep repeating the same false assertions over and over in every thread.

Your insulting, ignorant, arrogance is what is nuts.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 182 of 614 (731928)
07-01-2014 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Faith
07-01-2014 5:31 PM


Re: Siccar Point
The Flood is well supported by the arguments I've made.

Two mistakes in one short sentence. Your arguments do not support the flood and even more telling, not one shred of evidence, no single observation supports you fantasies.

Every single observation supports the fact that the earth is old, more than 4 billion years old and that the geological processes of deposition and erosion, vulcanism and subduction have been going on for almost as long as the earth has existed.

There are literally hundreds of flaws in your arguments that have been pointed out many, many times and that you refuse to address or explain.

You'll never see it of course because you are blinded by bias.

Explain the layering of the sediments, Faith.
Explain the sorting of the fossils.
Explain the meanders in the Grand Canyon.
Explain the erosion between the layers that you say is not there, but that anyone with eyes can see.

Explanations take evidence, not made up fantasies. The bible doesn't explain geology.

We understand why you feel the need to ridicule geology. Your argument is so flimsy that you think if you can cast doubt on real science it will somehow bolster your argument. Sorry, but no one is convinced.

Excuse me but the insulting ignorant arrogance has been coming at me here forever

Really?

Insulting and arrogant is probably correct, but the ignorance is all yours.

Enjoy.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 185 of 614 (731931)
07-01-2014 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
07-01-2014 7:31 PM


Re: Siccar Point
I ridicule Geology where it is ridiculous of course.

In the straw man version in your head. And you are right, that deserves ridicule.

And I know you don't like being insulted by a Creationist, you'd rather be the one doing it.

I don't mind being insulted by someone who doesn't have a clue what they are talking about. I object to your insulting manner when you talk about people who are making a living as scientists and who are using science to make discoveries about the universe. You mis-characterize their knowledge as faulty and them as stupid or crazy for using that knowledge to learn more. If you were speaking from a position of greater knowledge then there might be some validity to what you say, but by your own admission you refuse to study the science and then whine when they use technical terminology.

Carry on.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 283 of 614 (732571)
07-08-2014 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
07-08-2014 2:38 PM


Re: HBD's "helpful" advice
Faith writes:

Ugh. Reading this is a pain. Sorry, I guess it's just hard to take the patronizing attitude, all the more from someone who long ago caved in on the Biblical standard.

It's too bad that you cannot take any constructive suggestions.

You cannot face the truth about yourself, even when it is given in a polite, honest manner. hbd obviously put a lot of thought and time into that post, but he will clearly NEVER get any thanks or acknowledgement from you.

Faith writes:

And the utter lack of ability to see what I AM doing and trying to do here. Blech.

Faith, he nailed it. His description of your behavior was absolutely spot on, with examples of your fantasies and puffed up, empty arguments and the reasons why they do not work.

hbd sees you exactly the same way everyone else here sees you. What you are doing and trying to do here is ignoring evidence that is right in front of your eyes, in fact, denying that it exists. And demanding that we all admit that we can see imaginary stuff that you made up.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 286 of 614 (732576)
07-08-2014 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Faith
07-08-2014 4:08 PM


Re: HBD's "helpful" advice
Faith writes:

This from the blindest most kneejerk undiscriminating poster at EvC.

And yet what I said was true.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 546 of 614 (736877)
09-14-2014 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 545 by Percy
09-14-2014 9:52 AM


Twilight Zone?
Faith has posted another response at her blog: Let's Bring "Proof" Back to Reality.
Faith writes:

It's just another way of saying that when you are dealing with the prehistoric past you can never be sure of your hypotheses because they aren't testable,...

This is as false as it ever was. Let's see what Faith offers to support it this time.

I have to admit that I find this thread entertaining. I can't seem to help myself as I am irresistibly drawn to each new installment.

It just seems so odd that a one sided debate is going on here on the most rational forum on the web with a blog poster whose ravings are usually not read by anyone.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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