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Tangle
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Message 453 of 614 (735982)
08-29-2014 10:30 AM


What's this, debate by proxy?

If she hasn't got the courage to debate it here - leave her to preach to her converted, you're just feeding a remote troll.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 592 of 614 (746183)
01-04-2015 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 591 by Coragyps
01-03-2015 9:12 PM


Re: thought experiment and turning this into an example of science
I see a a wheeled vehicle that will tip over either forward or backward if the load and counterbalance is is even slightly off balance.it's intrinsically unstable.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 607 of 614 (746340)
01-05-2015 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 602 by Percy
01-05-2015 11:51 AM


Re: thought experiment and turning this into an example of science
Percy writes:

Notice how the region between the two beams of the boom appears to be whited out? This is especially apparent near the top of the boom where the whiting out has caused most of the pulley to be missing. If it is "whiting out" then it might have been done because whatever was originally drawn there looked worse than having nothing at all. I don't think it's a case of missing and eventually forgotten details that were intended to be added later, because if that were the case then the pulley would be fully represented instead of being mostly missing.

I think you're seeing things that aint there. The beam is single as you first thought with a pulley cut into it midline at the top. The line that I think you are seeing as the outside edge of a second beam is actually the pulley rope of the winch.

If you look at the upright sprouting from the top of the crane housing, it's a shortened version of the main beam - including the midline pulley with pulley rope.

All silly enough in engineering terms but the real stupidity is that the balancing load - such that it is - is outside the wheel base of the crane, making it totally unstable. If you look at the tractor crane picture earlier, you can see that its base extends beyond the counter balance keeping it's centre of balance within it's base making it much harder to tip over backwards.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 611 of 614 (746372)
01-06-2015 3:31 AM
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01-05-2015 11:51 AM


Re: thought experiment and turning this into an example of science
Percy writes:

Notice how the region between the two beams of the boom appears to be whited out? This is especially apparent near the top of the boom where the whiting out has caused most of the pulley to be missing. If it is "whiting out" then it might have been done because whatever was originally drawn there looked worse than having nothing at all. I don't think it's a case of missing and eventually forgotten details that were intended to be added later, because if that were the case then the pulley would be fully represented instead of being mostly missing.

I'm seeing a single beam shaped like a toothpick - similarilarly lit and shaded to the upright above the housing. The 'whited out' part of the pulley is because the pulley is hung inside a cut out in the beam in the same way it is in the post above the housing - which is pretty clearly seen.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 613 of 614 (746376)
01-06-2015 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 612 by Percy
01-06-2015 7:18 AM


Re: thought experiment and turning this into an example of science
Well, whichever way you see it, it's absurd...

ps, I have a box of toothpicks that only have a point at one end. But enough, already ;-)


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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