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Author Topic:   Why flood geology doesn't work, oil exploration as the example
Faith 
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Message 1 of 78 (719662)
02-15-2014 2:51 AM


UPDATE: I've changed the title of the thread from my original "Request for Thread on Geology of Oil" to the title Petrophysics put on his post #3 since it looks like this may remain the thread where the topic gets discussed. I don't think it should, I only meant to be requesting that others start a thread on the subject, but it's retitled for now anyway.

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Some geologists here complain that creationist views of historical interpretive geology don't appreciate how its methods are necessary for finding oil among other things. Usually that's merely said and any explanation of how it works for finding oil is not given.

Some time back I noticed that salt beds seem to be frequently associated with oil deposits and if nothing else I'd like to know if there's a reason for that association if anyone knows and can explain it.

Otherwise I'd like to see someone start a thread on the general subject of how principles of Geology are useful for finding oil.

Thanks.

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Message 4 of 78 (719665)
02-15-2014 8:43 PM
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02-15-2014 7:48 PM


Re: Why flood geology doesn't work, oil exploration as the example
Perhaps the mods should turn this into a science thread.

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Message 10 of 78 (721634)
03-10-2014 1:06 PM
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02-19-2014 9:10 PM


Bump.

Just wondering.


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Message 15 of 78 (721878)
03-13-2014 7:01 AM
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03-11-2014 8:45 AM


I just saw these posts on this thread, thanks very much for reporting on your situation and I look forward to your presentation here when you are finally able to get to it.

BTW I think about you when I'm drilling through all the salt and anhydrite deposits up here in the Williston Basin........you can't make evaporates in a flood.

Of course not, they had to have formed afterward. But that's one of the phenomena I hope you will explain, why salt is so frequently found in the vicinity of oil deposits. But of course it's nice to be thought of. I guess. (But I don't want to make this into a debate thread, I really do just want to hear about how oil deposits are discovered.)

Thanks again.

By the way I don't suppose you operate in Canada do you? I have a part interest through my family in the mineral rights to a piece of land in an oil-producing area. Probably nothing there or they'd have drilled already but oh well. (yes, of course I expect you to know how to find oil deposits.)

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Message 16 of 78 (721879)
03-13-2014 7:03 AM
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03-11-2014 11:23 AM


Re: Glenn Morton
I know about Morton, and have seen through some of his stuff, thanks anyway.

ABE: But I don't want this to become a debate thread so that's the last I'll say on this subject and hope you will drop it too. /ABE

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Message 17 of 78 (721880)
03-13-2014 7:06 AM
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03-12-2014 12:26 PM


Ah well, so we won't find out about the geology of oil for a while yet. Should make it all the more interesting when we do get it.

All this activity suggests maybe oil exploration isn't as politically dead as some have told us it is.


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Message 19 of 78 (721883)
03-13-2014 7:58 AM
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That's mostly about how they behave together, but doesn't explain why they so frequently occur together in the first place.

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Message 24 of 78 (721931)
03-13-2014 1:44 PM
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03-13-2014 1:10 PM


Re: Another untrue statement
I got it off the internet when researching the subject a while back, Wikipedia I would have thought but I don't remember what the search term was now.

ABE: I got the information about how the salt traps the oil too, but that part is clear enough. There was a quote from somebody from before the oil industry got going about how frustrating it was to be looking for salt and coming up with all this sludgy oil. But if the association isn't all that predictable, fine, no need to call me names. I didn't make it up.

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Message 26 of 78 (721951)
03-13-2014 10:01 PM
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03-13-2014 5:31 PM


Re: More untrue statements
If there was a worldwide Flood 4300 years ago, then the evaporites would have had to have formed afterward. It's perfectly logical.
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Look I just want to hear how you find oil, I didn't want to get into a debate with you.

ABE: If your scenario suggests a Flood Geology as it proceeds, I'll certainly let you know.

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Message 29 of 78 (722025)
03-14-2014 1:59 PM
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03-14-2014 7:34 AM


Re: More untrue statements
Not if there is some explanation for the evaporation of the salts after the column was laid down. But the logical point remains straightforward. It has to have occurred after the Flood simply because it couldn't have occurred before or during and that remains true. HOW is another question.

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Message 31 of 78 (722031)
03-14-2014 2:27 PM
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03-14-2014 7:34 AM


Re: More untrue statements
I've been trying to keep away from debate on this thread, and I figured I'd eventually do some thinking about the evaporites question from a Flood perspective though I haven't done so yet. But your saying that of course evaporites must have been exposed to air because they did evaporate does make one wonder if that's necessarily how it always happens. Even exposed salt lakes aren't produced only by evaporation but partly by seepage into the ground. And water would be expected to seep down through the strata too. That's what leads to cementation of the rock as it carries the chemicals that bring that about. So for starters I'd question the need for exposure to air.

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Message 32 of 78 (722032)
03-14-2014 2:31 PM
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Re: More untrue statements
There is no other explanation that YOU can think of, RAZD, but never underestimate the creativity and critical thinking of a creationist.

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Message 35 of 78 (722036)
03-14-2014 2:54 PM
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I've nevRe: More untrue statements
I've never ever ever invoked magic, ever.

I thought science was the process of rethinking things. So I'm setting myself the task of rethinking the salt deposits. It may take a while.

Meanwhile there is good evidence that the earth is not billions of years old.


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Message 41 of 78 (722066)
03-15-2014 3:34 AM
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Re: More fantasy
Well, I got the seepage idea from Wikipedia. Guess I'll have to stop relying on noncreationist sites.

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Message 42 of 78 (722067)
03-15-2014 3:40 AM
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03-14-2014 3:08 PM


age
Meanwhile there is good evidence that the earth is not billions of years old.

Start a new thread and provide this purported evidence.

Well I believe I proved it for the Grand Canyon-Grand Staircase area if nothing else. If it's okay with you to think there were something like 700 million years with no tectonic activity in that region then I guess my argument doesn't mean anything to you. Anyway I restated that argument at my blog. No interest in discussing it further here.


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