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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Do I have this wrong or didn't this proposed law come about to protect Christian business owners such as bakers who refused on moral grounds to make a wedding cake for homosexuals or photographers who refused on moral grounds to photograph a gay wedding ceremony? ... Apparently, although the details are not exact. What happened was a bunch of conservative christian republicans tried to pass a law to establish their beliefs ... but they did such a bad job of it, made it so general (in order to not appear to be religiously based) that people could end up discriminating against christians (heaven forfend).
... And if this is its basis, apparently you are all in favor of forcing these business people to act against their conscience? ... Freedom of religious beliefs are already protected, what is not protected is discrimination.
... isn't this tyranny? ... Tyranny is when laws are passed that allow discrimination over human rights.
... Whatever happened to freedom? It was saved when this discriminatory bill was vetoed -- by a conservative republican governor. Would you like to live in a place that had signs "no christians welcome here" or "we reserve the right to refuse service to christians" ??? Really ??? That is something the bill would have allowed. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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As I said I don't know how this law was worded but if it's intended to protect people from being forced to do such things it sounds to me like it's simply meant to protect freedom of conscience which I thought this country was supposed to be all about. When I opened my business with one employee, one of the federal regulations regarding the operation of a business was to put up a poster in a clearly visible location for all employees to see. It listed all the forms of discrimination that could not be invoked by the employer and how employees could seek redress if they felt their rights were being unfairly infringed. Including, but not limited to, lawsuits. "EEO is the Law" Poster | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
The law requires an employer to post notices describing the Federal laws prohibiting job discrimination based on race, color, sex, national origin, religion, age, equal pay, disability and genetic information. EEOC's poster is available in English, Arabic, Chinese and Spanish. You may order up to 5 copies from this website. EEOC has revised its Equal Employment Opportunity is the Law poster. This new version reflects current federal employment discrimination law (including the Americans with Disabilities Act Amendments Act of 2008). The poster was revised to add information about the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008, which is effective November 21, 2009. The revised poster also includes updates from the Department of Labor. This means your don't have a right to discriminate ... and it also means you are protected from discrimination: it's a two-way street, and it's part of the social contract for living in a community - to behave unto others the way you expect them to behave towards you. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Right, smear basic moral attitudes of Christians with ... But it isn't basic moral attitudes based on Christianity -- evidence: not all Christians believe it's wrong to be gay and many Christian churches preform gay weddings. What it is, Faith, is a bunch of bigots that use their religion as a crutch to justify their bigotry to themselves. If you want to see persecution of Christians go to Iraq ... where people are being killed for their beliefs. You live in a society that allows freedom of religion, and that means you have the freedom to practice your beliefs without being discriminated against because of them -- to get that right you allow others the same right to practice their beliefs without being discriminated against because of them. Christianity is not singled out for persecution, but it also isn't allowed to persecute others.
... a common tactic of bigots ... The last time I checked, being in favor of all people enjoying equal rights under the law was not a definition of bigotry. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Those of us who believe the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God will choose to die rather than be forced to do something that violates it. Curiously, nobody is asking you to be a homosexual, nor are they inviting you into their bedroom, nor is anybody considering laws to force this on you. So nobody is trying to force you to do something in violation of your bible (unless it is significantly different from the version I have). What people can do, however is ask that you abide by it, and love your neighbor, judge not lest you be judged, love the sinner, etc. What people can do, is ask you to embrace the constitution in general, the amendments that change it to increasingly recognize the basic human rights of all people: blacks as equals with voting rights, then women voting rights, the rights of disabled; that there is still work to do on economic rights (equal pay for work of equal value) ... and recognize that we, as a nation, will continue to improve the recognition of the basic human rights of all people. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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We really have no choice but to "let" them pass their law and see if the broader community will allow it. What we saw was that the broader community raised such a groundswell of objection that the law was vetoed for being the bad law that it was -- it was like the "stand your ground" for bigots everywhere: discriminate first then justify it because your beliefs were threatened. Instead of laws to protect bullies we should have laws that protect victims. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Fred Phelps is not prevented by law from expressing his views.
So Christians are not prevented by law from expressing their views.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Far as I know all I'm condoning is the right to conscientiously refuse to do anything that is felt to support gay marriage. No hatred of people is involved at all, except possibly from your side against mine. Message 267: There is no way you are going to get me to treat homosexuality as the equivalent of race. bigotrynoun, plural bigotries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. Synonyms1. narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination. bigotryn , pl -ries the attitudes, behaviour, or way of thinking of a bigot; prejudice; intolerance Note this doesn't say hatred Faith, it just says stubborn, intolerant, prejudicial, narrow-minded biased discriminatory behavior is bigotry. Now I could go through and list all the other posts where you demonstrate this in spades, because you are an unabashed bigot. It's not about hatred, it's about moral social behavior and treating all other people the way you expect to be treated regardless of who they are. This is where fundamentalist teaching harms people. There is no fundamental right to be a bigot. There is a fundamental right to equal treatment regardless of race, age, sex, creed, orientation, culture, or any other category you want to apply. Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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