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Author Topic:   Arizona: Showing America how to avoid thinking since 1912
ringo
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Message 28 of 397 (720740)
02-27-2014 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Faith
02-27-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Such a groundswell of opinion against freedom of religion
Faith writes:
And if this is its basis, apparently you are all in favor of forcing these business people to act against their conscience? Really? isn't this tyranny?
No, it's called a business license. You abide by the rules of the community, not your own rules; otherwise you don't do business in the community.
A very large number of local restaurants have staff members from India, who are vegetarians. By your standard it would be almost impossible to be served meat in a restaurant here (and the restaurantrs would promptly go out of business).

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ringo
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Message 121 of 397 (720900)
02-28-2014 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by New Cat's Eye
02-27-2014 11:54 AM


Re: Such a groundswell of opinion against freedom of religion
Catholic Scientist writes:
Can you really force people into a "community"?
The community extends from the municipal level to the state level and the federal level. So the community as a whole does impose certain standards on its parts.
Catholic Scientist writes:
Then fuck 'em, let them pass their stupid law and let the businesses that discriminate go out of business.
We really have no choice but to "let" them pass their law and see if the broader community will allow it.
Of course letting them do whatever they damn well please is not something that has ever worked out very well.

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ringo
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Message 123 of 397 (720904)
02-28-2014 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by RAZD
02-28-2014 10:50 AM


Re: Such a groundswell of opinion against freedom of religion
RAZD writes:
What we saw was that the broader community raised such a groundswell of objection that the law was vetoed for being the bad law that it was....
Exactly. The law comes ultimately from the people. It's easier to get rid of a bad law when the people are ready to be rid of it,

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ringo
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Message 127 of 397 (720912)
02-28-2014 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:21 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Faith writes:
Those of us who believe the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God will choose to die rather than be forced to do something that violates it.
So Christian restauranteurs would rather die than go into a different line of work? I'm dubious of that claim.

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Message 150 of 397 (721003)
03-02-2014 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Faith
03-02-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Faith writes:
... forcing people to acknowledge a marriage they do not believe qualifies as a marriage.
You can refuse to acknowledge any part of reality that you don't like. What you can't do is force your denial on reality.

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ringo
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Message 176 of 397 (721051)
03-03-2014 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by Faith
03-02-2014 5:11 PM


Re: something to think about
Faith writes:
When a nation officially repudiates God and His laws....
Allowing same-sex couples the same rights as any other couple is not repudiating God's laws. God administers His own laws. You don't.
IF God chooses to judge homosexuals, that's His business, not yours. If He chooses to judge you for failure to love your neighbour, that's His business too.

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ringo
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Message 219 of 397 (721156)
03-04-2014 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
03-03-2014 2:38 PM


Re: something to think about
Faith writes:
Funny, then, that He told us to be salt and light, which means to inform people of His ways so that social corruption and darkness might be mitigated.
Think about those metaphors. Both salt and light are positive influences, not negative. The "social corruption" here is people throwing mud instead of being an example of love.

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ringo
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Message 221 of 397 (721160)
03-04-2014 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by NoNukes
03-04-2014 11:01 AM


Re: something to think about
NoNukes writes:
It is no accident that Conservapedia leaves out the 'cast the first stone story' from their Bible 'translation'.
It should be noted that Jesus, whether He was without sin or not, did not cast the first stone.
What Would Jesus Do? What Would Faith Do?

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ringo
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Message 246 of 397 (721295)
03-06-2014 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by Faith
03-06-2014 7:15 AM


Re: There are Christians who disagree with Faith
Faith writes:
The right to refuse service for any reason, however, IS a right, one that you apparently don't support.
I don't.

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ringo
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Message 390 of 397 (721516)
03-08-2014 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 387 by Faith
03-08-2014 7:34 AM


Re: The Meaning of Jesus' Death
Faith writes:
We don't need to assume there was no Fall....
We don't "assume" there was no Fall. We conclude there was no Fall - both by reading the Bible and by looking at reality.
Unfortunately, fundamentalist Christianity all too often involves a fall from humanity.

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