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Message 94 of 397 (720825)
02-27-2014 5:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
02-27-2014 3:49 PM

Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
So what's going to happen is that people with a strong moral conviction against gay marriage are going to give up their businesses and go to prison.
I seem to have the old fashioned idea, that a baker's job is to make excellent cakes and pastries, not to make moral judgments of his customers.
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The baker is not being asked to approve the marriage. He is not being asked to perform the marriage. He is only being asked to bake a cake.
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If baking a cake is against his strong moral conviction, he should get out of the bakery business.
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Message 96 of 397 (720829)
02-27-2014 6:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:57 PM

Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
The obtuseness to the moral issue here is truly amazing.
No, there's nothing obtuse about it at all.
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However, although you don't get it , again, let's leave it to the people who DO have a conscience against baking a wedding cake for a homosexual couple because to them it's like condoning gay marriage which they believe violates the Law of God.
No, baking a cake is not condoning anything, except perhaps the baking of cakes.
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But again, if you, as a good citizen of the USSA, want to force it on Christians, I can only hope Christians will have the backbone to choose God over all these forces of bigotry against them no matter what the consequences.
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No, nothing is being forced on Christians, except that if they offer a public service to bake cakes, they are expected to bake cakes for their customers.
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This is about recognizing that a bunch of pseudo-Christians are having a ridiculous tantrum, and pretending that their religion requires them to behave in an anti-Christian way.
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Message 153 of 397 (721013)
03-02-2014 5:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 151 by Faith
03-02-2014 5:11 PM

Re: something to think about
When a nation officially repudiates God and His laws, especially America whose original settlers dedicated the land to God, the consequences are sure to be pretty devastating.
America has not repudiated God. It has merely allowed some people of the same sex to be married.
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Shooting down a law that might have protected some shred of our Christian heritage (and again since I haven't read the proposed law I'm only guessing) may not be the last straw, but the trend is clear so there will eventually be a last straw.
If what you call "our Christian heritage" is at such great risk, then maybe it is dead already. Or maybe it never existed.
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The first amendment establishment clause was there from shortly after the birth of the nation.
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Message 162 of 397 (721023)
03-02-2014 10:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 159 by Faith
03-02-2014 9:40 PM

Re: something to think about
That's repudiating God, Who ordained marriage as between a man and a woman.
Marriage is a cultural thing, not a religious thing.
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Message 209 of 397 (721123)
03-03-2014 9:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
03-03-2014 7:29 PM

Re: something to think about
I'd bet you for sure but I won't be able to prove you wrong until He returns.
That's going to be a long, long wait.
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