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Tangle
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Message 115 of 397 (720883)
02-28-2014 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:25 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Faith writes:
So we go out of business then and have to live on the streets. Same difference.
I'm guessing that, given that choice, our cake maker would suddenly realise that maybe selling a cake to someone doesn't actually involve him/her in any anti-biblical activity.
Or maybe when the rare-as-rockinghorse-droppings occasion arose that a gob-smackingly and obviously gay couple entered a shop knowing that the proprietor was a homophobe wanting a nice cake, he/she just gets someone else to serve?
Or maybe they just forget it, like, you know, all Christians do about having to give everything they have to the poor.
Or you just do something a little uncomfortable for you because it's the law? Just like the rest of us.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 146 of 397 (720988)
03-02-2014 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Faith
03-02-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Faith writes:
This is not about "sexuality," it is not about "gender," it is about changing the law of marriage, which, believe it or not, is not necessarily specifically Christian, but universal, and forcing people to acknowledge a marriage they do not believe qualifies as a marriage. FORCING this on people. This is a violation of freedom of conscience.
The law does not force anyone to believe that gay marriage is ok in the mind of whatever god you think is offended by it. You are perfectly entitled to go on thinking that it's wrong and no-one will be arrested for it. No-one is FORCING anything on you Faith. You don't even have to marry another woman.
I believe in freedom to sin, up to a point, mainly because there's no way to prevent it (though it would be good for people and for the society if we could). The kind of sins that don't harm others, I mean of course; but I don't believe in freedom to make others treat someone's sin as not a sin, or treat a false marriage as a marriage.
I think I'm right in saying that you regard sex between people of the same sex a sin? And a gay marriage as a false marriage? So nothing has changed has it? You're free to go right on believing what you're believing and if you're ever asked to take photographs at a gay wedding, I suggest you just say that you're already booked on that day.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 155 of 397 (721015)
03-02-2014 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Faith
03-02-2014 5:11 PM


Re: something to think about
People like you have been saying that kind of bollocks for thousands of years. It doesn't seem to matter much to you that you've all been wrong.
But more importantly, wtf happened to Jesus? This guy is the best thing you fanatical Christians have, yet you completely ignore his teachings, preferring the reprehensible tribal garbage of the OT.
What happened to love thy neighbour?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 251 of 397 (721303)
03-06-2014 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Faith
03-06-2014 9:20 AM


Re: There are Christians who disagree with Faith
Faith writes:
So let me get this straight: Nobody is allowed to refuse to make a wedding cake or take wedding photos for a gay wedding ceremony.
Of course they can refuse, they will obviously be fully booked on the day that the service is required.
Or would they prefer to be martyrs?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 290 of 397 (721351)
03-06-2014 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
03-06-2014 4:32 PM


Re: There are Christians who disagree with Faith
Faith, you are in your very own category of abnormal, but if you want a cake, just drop me a PM. I know a couple of gay guys in my town that will serve even Christian bigots.
They do draw the line at lesbians though - they've got real principles.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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