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Again, I do NOT accept the idea of conscientious racism, I don't care what various weird groups think.

But I was explaining the basis for MY point of view. and racism, which you all keep trying to hang on me, is NOT justified in the Bible and is not part of my argument here. I'm talking about the Biblical view of marriage and of homosexuality. Because I'm talking about MY view of these things, which I believe is the view of those who would refuse to participate in a gay wedding ceremony.

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I can define what discrimination is for me, or am I not allowed?

My argument is that discrimination based on race or sexual preference is equally discriminatory.

Then I don't accept the idea of conscientious discrimination based on sexual preference. Cuts both ways.

We are showing that the discrimination you are proposing is no different than racism. Also, your point of view does not carry the force of law, which is ultimately what we are talking about. What you state is of no importance to what the US Constitution and our laws state.

I am talking about the laws that govern all Americans, including non-christians.

You will notice that none of this addresses my question.

Why, in a free country, should a person's rights be limited because of religious beliefs they don't hold?

But were they right for doing so?

What is going under? Let's see what has gone under so far: slavery, women prevented from voting, segregation . . . I could go on. If this is going under, sign me up for more.

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Whose conscience?
If I decide to find redheads morally objectionable (due to their not having a soul) can I discriminate against them? Refuse them service in a shop? Entry to a theatre? Use of bus/train/taxi? ban them from my hotel?

For someone who bleats on about government keeping out of our daily affairs, (healthcare for example) I find it perplexing that you seem to want more government involvement in our bedrooms.

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How does Christ save us from physical death when all of us, everyone dies a physical death. Or do you believe you will miraculously avoid dying physically. Christ saved us from spiritual death. Even he died physically. Never does Christ say he will save us from physical death.

Your statement is not based on the Bible.

We are save from spiritual death and unless Christ returns before we die, we will die a physical death. Eternal life only occurs after a physical death unless God intervenes i.e. Enoch and Elijah.

It is a Christian and Biblical tenant that Jesus saves us from spiritual death. He gives us eternal life but only after death.

You have never shown beyond your mere words in this post where I am wrong. Your quote by Professor Machen has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing either on the interpretation of Romans 5 or on the legal issue concerning homosexuality.

We all perish but those who believe will have eternal life. We will die physically but not spiritually. But even if Romans is talking about both physical as well as spiritual death, which I am not denying, this is eternal life after this physical life. Besides, this is talking about humans, not all of creation. Animals and plants don't die spiritually. And this scripture specifically address mankind not any other part of creation.

Again, only people are talked about.

All people, not all creation. Your argument does not hold water.

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bigotry
noun, plural bigotries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Synonyms
1. narrow-mindedness, bias, discrimination.

bigotry
— n , pl -ries
the attitudes, behaviour, or way of thinking of a bigot; prejudice; intolerance

Note this doesn't say hatred Faith, it just says stubborn, intolerant, prejudicial, narrow-minded biased discriminatory behavior is bigotry.

Now I could go through and list all the other posts where you demonstrate this in spades, because you are an unabashed bigot.

It's not about hatred, it's about moral social behavior and treating all other people the way you expect to be treated regardless of who they are.

This is where fundamentalist teaching harms people.

There is no fundamental right to be a bigot. There is a fundamental right to equal treatment regardless of race, age, sex, creed, orientation, culture, or any other category you want to apply.

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Even felons.

Let us be patriots and remain true to their vision, then, instead of introducing un-American novelties into the law.

Not exactly to be nitpicking but were not the earlier generations of Americans actually "indians" or natives? Xianity would not have mattered to them much :-)

It is strange how the people of The Religion of Peace (tm) are in many cases actually totally void of any love or even compassion? The religious freedom seems to apply only to which denomination of xianity one belongs to.

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And if they had laws about selling cake to gay people, I've yet to hear of it.

Only if you include Canadians and Mexicans as Americans. Living on the N. American continent is not the same as being a citizen of the modern nation state of the Unites States of America (or it's short lived predecessors after the Revolutionary War).

It would be interesting to find a sign that said, "Light in the mocassins? No fry bread for you." Or, "Marriage means one man and 3 women only."

Many Indian tribes and individuals did become Christian.

I am quite sure that someone finds a way to discover such a law or at least an order or a decree.

The USofA is 238 years old construction. In its soil lay the footprints of several of millenia of people who had never "walked and talked wit Jeebus". To somehow describe what the puritans brought along as what the humanity or even America is altogether about is such narrowmindedness that it even exceeds Faith's bigotry.

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