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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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A Lie That Won't Die.
You continue to misrepresent the truth. You lie.
quote: quote: You ignore the overwhelming body of evidence that your bible codes are false and can be duplicated in many other works your god had nothing to do in creating ... unless you think both Melville and Tolstoy are gods. You lie. Why? Is your faith that weak?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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You didn't even bother with the source I provided, did you.
Here's another for you to ignore. Be sure not to look through all the links at the bottom.
And yet another with lots of links to ignore, especially the "Expert Opinions" link toward the bottom where there are a dozen links to studies each with links to more studies. You want overwhelming? You got it. You really are an imbecilic silly little excuse for a jew, aren't you. Your rabbis must cringe with embarrassment every time you show up on Shabbat.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
The links contain the information on the Tolstoy and Melville codes as well as other information that debunks your divine cryptography.
As you said about the codes applies also to their refutation. "There is no debate necessary about these codes, because everybody can check them out, they are there. They are a fact." So check them out. They are a fact. Your holy protocols are bunk. The evidence has been provided, Eli. All you have to do is click a button and read. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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If you pick the appropriate letters from Treasure Island it reveals the Ultimate Truth : "There is no God but Long John Silver." That's it then isn't it? I always wondered why they made such god-awful fish planks.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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... and it's going to get you banned. When?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Just give me something that compares to the Esther code I gave you, a code with a constantly repeating very signifiicant number, like 12,111 in the purim code. Why should we? Your junk's already been debunked times a thousand. We do not need to entertain any further presumptions of your delusions. Any further nonsense numerology from you only shows your desperation, your cognitive dissonance, at having watched one of your personal pillars of faith ground into dust by truth. The bible codes have been shown to be false and that is all that is necessary. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
However, like I said, for the Great Rabbi's Experiment, a maximum chance of 1 in 1000 was demanded for publication, and a chance of less than 1 in 50,000 was delivered. . . . This in contradistinction to the Torah codes, which are statistically highly significant. quote: There are three major problems with you great rabbis code fiasco. - Any text of similar size yields similar word clusters as the torah. - The probabilities you quote are based on methods not accepted by the mathematical community and are bogus. - The very nature of Hebrew left lots of wiggle room in designing the word searches. If you don't find enough clusters of one spelling then add in the clusters for another, and yet a third. That's just in data and methods. Now, let's talk real science. In trying to repeat this great rabbis fabrication using actual accepted mathematical standards the p values (significance) fall well below 1 in 5 let alone 1 in 1000 or your bogus 1 in 50,000.
quote: And here is something else for you to consider. For these codes to be the true ciphers of your god they would only work if the masoretic text of today were infallible, letter by letter, to the original. You do realize that all scholars recognize that today's torah is not letter-for-letter perfect from the original despite your clumsy attempt to show otherwise. A quick look at the Qumran texts (the dead sea scrolls dated out to 400 BCE) shows this quite clearly. Based on this alone your "divine signature" is shown to be a forgery. Your bible codes are bunk, always have been bunk, always will be bunk. There is nothing you can do to change this.
sourcesource source And just for jollies, a religious argument against your asinine codes. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : corrected error
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Dr Rips, professor at the Hebrew University Jerusalem, one of the best mathematicians in the world Dr. Fred Hoyle, one of the most outstanding, brilliant, prolific scientists in his time, went off the deep end late in his life, too. Being best does not make all your pronouncements truth, especially when the rest of your colleagues have shown you where you erred. A few years ago an entire team of equally brilliant egg-heads as your Dr. Rips announced they may have found superluminal neutrinos. Being brilliant does not mean you are not wrong.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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This is refuted in a peer reviewed publication presented at the 18th International Congres for Pattern Recognition in 2006 Show me.
Then explain why something with a so obvious fallacy passes through six years of peer review by the worlds best statisticians and was then published in Statistical Science. Here's a hint.
quote: source Edited by AZPaul3, : Added second topic Edited by AZPaul3, : added bold. I'll stop now.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
According to scientific rules, in order for critics to disprove the Torah codes, they would have to find fatal flaws in each of the six papers presenting a different approach and a different code. This happened five years ago, and to date not a single flaw was found in any of these papers. Therefore, for all intent and purposes, the Torah codes have been scientifically proven, and the debate is over. Well, this certainly didn't come from any knowledgeable scientist, science text or philosophy of science. Sounds like it came from a religionist with his back against the wall and getting his teeth kicked in (metaphorically speaking) because of some inane argument that has been thoroughly destroyed going on two decades now. Reminds me of your attempt to mark punctuated equilibrium as the death knell of evolution. Silly man. Nothing is ever proven in science. Only in religion can you be absolutely certain something is proven with little evidence, weak evidence or no evidence at all. This has been one of the hallmarks of religion for millennia. The problem with those papers you keep citing is that, just like creation science, they are done by a small cadre of true believers publishing over and over and for whom no amount of reality will suffice. And if you read the damn things they are not "proofs" of anything, but different techniques to manipulate the data. Frankly, it really doesn't matter what gun and bullets you used when you go and paint your bullseyes around the bullet holes. You are right about one thing. The debate is over ... has been over for more than 20 years. Your bible codes are shown to be bunk and always have been bunk. Just like with Gould and Eldredge you were wrong again. It's time for you to go find the next thing you can be wrong about.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
The only problem with that statement is, that it is the rantings of a layman, who cannot bring the slightest proof for his blabber. You keep going on about "proof". You're a religionist. You believe in "proof" ( and, no, I'm not speaking of the mathematics type). This is a science forum. The rest of us know there is no such thing.
The fact of the matter is, that the religion hating scientific community ... You sure have that christian martyr complex down pat. Fact is science is at best totally ambivalent to your religions and at worst ignore your religions altogether. When it comes to science folks doing science stuff your religions are given no more thought than a lion gives a flea. Don't flatter yourself that the scientific community is out to get you. They couldn't care less about you or your fictitious codes. They have already shown that it's bunk and there is no more to consider. That a few yahoos continue to push the subject isn't even a source of amusement anymore. Your codes, like your religions, shown to be false, are ignored.
The only problem with that statement is, that it is the rantings of a layman, who cannot bring the slightest proof for his blabber. Have you read any of the papers? They deal with the preparations of the data and the algorithms of the search. Even in the mathematical sense they are not "proofs", nor were they meant to be "proofs", of anything. They do not prove your codes. They mean nothing. Your bible codes are a dead fable propped up by a handful of religious fanatics. They are useless. You cannot show anyone otherwise no matter how much BS you put up on this site.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8706 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
In the bible I don't think any prophesy that specific has ever been made.
Now if you want to talk about the fundamentalist crazies with their "the world will end next Tuesday at 3:28 pm," they all fail all the time. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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