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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I also ask all of you what critical thinking means to you and whether or not your basic beliefs have changed since you came to this forum. To me, critical thinking means following evidence rather than beliefs, especially when evidence contradicts beliefs. Perhaps it could be said that critical thinking is the opposite of faith? Critical thinking also implies examining the evidence rather than just accepting it blindly.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I agree with what you posted above, but don't go getting all pedantic on us again!
;-)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Of course I wasn't defining it, just stating what I knew to be contrary to the prevailing EvC opinion. Of course you were. You were presenting your personal belief, which is pretty much the opposite of critical thinking. Or any thinking at all. You have told us repeatedly that your belief stems from the bible (or your interpretation of it) and that evidence will not change your mind. There is no critical thinking involved there--just religious apologetics. The bible says it, you believe it. No thinking needed!
There's no point in the likes of me trying to define critical thinking or anything else at this forum. That's true. Words (and phrases) already have meanings. You don't get to come along and change the meanings or the definitions of them because you disagree with where they lead.
Or saying anything at all for that matter. Now, that's not true. You have every right to comment here, just as we have every right to agree or disagree with you. Who would a lot of us disagree with if you weren't here?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Faiths assertion is that you wont discard your demand for evidence,which she feels is a belief unto itself. Comments? Here are some of the other sources of "knowledge." Let me know which ones you prefer: Magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, Ouija boards, anecdotes, Da Vinci codes, tarot cards, sorcery, seances, reading entrails, sore bunions, black cats, divine revelation, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, divination, faith healing, miracles, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, magic tea leaves, new age mumbo-jumbo, hoodoo, voodoo and all that other weird stuff. Me, I'll stick to evidence.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Shamans of various kinds have been claiming spirits and gods for as long as mankind has existed. Just pay them and they'll smooth the way!
You'd think that, just once, they would come up with some evidence! But with the lack of evidence, this seems to be the biggest scam ever perpetrated on mankind, and mankind is willing to accept it as it promises something everyone wants! Who won't bet long odds on everlasting life!??? (P.T. Barnum was a piker compared to our shaman class!)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You guys are wayyyyyy over thinking this critical thinking bit. Critical thinking is being critical of your thinking. Not just willy-nilly choosing something, but actually being critical of each and every aspect of the decision making process. All critical thinking is not created equal as the critic could be a imbecile. Agreed. And as the old quote says, "Logic is an organized way of going wrong with confidence." This is known as Ketterings Law, after Charles F. Kettering. The problem with logic is that it has no common sense. Faith uses logic to reach conclusions absolutely contradicted by the evidence. RAZD uses logic in an attempt to bludgeon the ideas of others into submission, and to hold out that faint smidgeon of hope that deities exist. I would suggest that critical thinking would have a large helping of common sense, realizing that common sense is far from common, and that logic, when taken to extremes, can become counterproductive.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Phat writes:
Give us an example of "no". ringo writes:
In most cases, yes. Belief is not a valid reason for disregarding evidence. Belief overrules evidence when you really, really believe. We have seen quite a few examples of this on these very threads.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
In other areas do all religions ask people to shut off reasoning? See the flood and young earth arguments in our other threads.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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