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Author Topic:   What Does Critical Thinking Mean To You?
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Message 156 of 339 (722232)
03-18-2014 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by NoNukes
03-18-2014 7:08 PM


Re: Rejection with no evidence for rejection
I don't think it is critical thinking, or even intellectually honest, to "reject god" only because there is no evidence for it, because to reject something would mean that you have evidence for it; there must be something to actually reject. Instead, the honest position (and one that many many atheists take) is not of rejection, but one of simply not accepting the claim you have posited and still being open to good evidence. "I've heard your evidence and listened to your claim, but I have found it lacking". Religionists are the only ones that see non-acceptance of their god as rejection. Most atheists are still open to the idea of god being real, we just have no good reason to believe it yet and thus, live life as if there is no god because there isn't good evidence for one.

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hooah212002
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Message 162 of 339 (722271)
03-19-2014 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Stile
03-19-2014 8:46 AM


Re: Rejection with no evidence for rejection
But atheists do not "not reject God."
They actually do "reject God." (Or, at least I do.. )
As do I, given the proper company. But when having a rational discussion, I can acknowledge that saying "no god exists" or "I reject god" is just as silly as saying "I know god exists". But between you and me, I believe no gods to exist. None. I conduct my life in that manner because I see no reason not to.
I reject God because there is lots of evidence about God and it points towards God not existing.
Maybe it's semantics, but aren't you actually just rejecting the claims made about god? To actually reject god means that you accept that it exists but are rejecting it. I don't see how you can reject something you don't think exists. You can reject an idea because the idea actually exists, but you aren't rejecting what the idea puts forth. Maybe my English is bad or I am getting hung up on a word. However, A LOT of miscommunication happens in this very department with strawman that religionists create. It is used to bolster their belief that atheism in just as dogmatic, and rightfully so. "there is no god" is only held by a small portion and is not required.
Lots of evidence of searching for God in places and finding that no God is there.
Lots of evidence of searching for the results of God's existence in places (prayer, love, happiness...) and finding that no God is there.
Lots of evidence of people claiming imaginary sources when they don't understand things.
But those only apply to certain claims about certain god beliefs. There still could be an actual god that you aren't rejecting, but only because its existence or nature hasn't been put forward as an option, nor has any evidence presented itself for examination.
Fuck, my distinction is getting muddy and confusing and I sound like a deist rationalizing a god that leaves zero evidence and is utterly worthless for anything other than mental masturbation.
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