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Message 56 of 137 (722550)
03-22-2014 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by lokiare
03-22-2014 9:36 AM


lokiare writes:

Ridiculing your opposition doesn't help your cause.


Science depends on observation. When you observe the ridiculous it is necessary to be able to recognize it as ridiculous.

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Message 91 of 137 (722630)
03-23-2014 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Faith
03-23-2014 12:24 AM


Re: the so called evidence
Faith writes:

All the claims that the earth is old from all the sources are still hypothetical so all you are doing is adding together hypotheticals from various sources and calling it "corroboration."


When every thread of evidence points to the same conclusion, that's the best corroboration you'll ever get. Creationists can criticize each individual method but they can't explain why they all get the same answer.

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Message 101 of 137 (722854)
03-25-2014 12:47 PM
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03-24-2014 5:45 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
Faith writes:

All I see in this barely plausible scenario is the desperation of these men in the face of the science of the day that they were unable to criticize.


That's a pretty good description of creationism in general.

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Message 103 of 137 (723065)
03-26-2014 11:44 AM
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03-26-2014 2:52 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
Faith writes:

Those great preachers who gave into the Old Earth and tried to make the Bible conform to it have built a house of cards that subsequent generations can blow down with a breath, leaving them with very flimsy grounds for their faith.


The problem, though, is that it's the Bible that's wrong, not the earth. If your faith rests on the Bible, then yes, your house is built on sand.

Faith writes:

Hey I like this post. I think I'll post it on one of my blogs.


I'm always happy to be an inspiration.

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Message 124 of 137 (723170)
03-27-2014 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by kbertsche
03-26-2014 3:22 PM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
kbertsche writes:

More accurately, it's some interpretations of the Bible that are wrong, just as in Galileo's day his opponents wrongly interpreted the Bible to teach geocentrism.


Fair enough, but you have to jump through a lot of hoops to get an interpretation that matches reality. Geocentrism is a particularly bad example. While the Bible might not specifically dictate geocentrism, it certainly doesn't specify otherwise either. It's vague enough that you could shoehorn almost any shape of universe into it.

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Message 125 of 137 (723171)
03-27-2014 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
03-27-2014 7:49 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
Faith writes:

Christians do not reject science, REAL science....


You most certainly do reject science. You've invented a fantasy called "REAL science" but you most certainly do reject the science that scientists do.

And please don't drag all Christians down to your level.


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Message 130 of 137 (723258)
03-28-2014 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by kbertsche
03-27-2014 2:16 PM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
kbertsche writes:

The Bible is not trying to teach ANY particular timetable for creation.


So day-age scenarios and gap scenarios are as big a waste of time as young-earth creationism.

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Message 132 of 137 (723332)
03-29-2014 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by kbertsche
03-28-2014 2:38 PM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
kbertsche writes:

... trying to see how the biblical account can be consistent with modern science.


The whole problem, though, is in trying to make the Bible consistent with modern science. It isn't. It was never meant to be.

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Message 137 of 137 (723370)
03-31-2014 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by kbertsche
03-30-2014 9:11 PM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
kbertsche writes:

Are you suggesting that the mass-energy that makes up our universe did NOT have a beginning, that it was eternal?


Eternity only needs to be open at one end. When the Bible talks about eternal punishment, for example, it means without end not without beginning.

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