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herebedragons
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Message 117 of 137 (723148)
03-27-2014 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
03-27-2014 7:49 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
only the fantasy sciences of the unobservable past.

You really should stop using this phrase, it is logically inconsistent. You believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that man has existed on this earth for all but 5 days of that time. So, there really is NO unobservable past according to your views. So those that see evidence for an old earth are simply misinterpreting "observable" events, according to your position. Everything that has happened in the past, happened while humans were here to observe it ... according to your views.

I don't see how you can object to the "unobserved past" since, according to your views, there is none.

Are you conceding that there IS an unobservable past that none of us can be sure about??

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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herebedragons
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Message 121 of 137 (723156)
03-27-2014 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
03-27-2014 8:24 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
I was afraid you wouldn't get the point. Tectonic plates moving at several feet per day would have happened in the "observable past", according to your view. 3,000 + feet of sediment in the GC was laid down in the "observable past", according to your view. Dinosaurs would have lived in the "observable past" according to your view. And the list goes on and on ...

If you really believe that your view is correct, there is no "unobservable past". You have everything happening in the "observable past", so it should be completely knowable - even without the Bible to tell us what happened.

However, when we look at the evidence that we can see TODAY, in the present, and try to understand what happened in the past, we get a very different picture.

So we have 3 options:

1. The Bible is wrong.

2. We have misunderstood what the Bible teaches about these things.

3. The "knowable past" is actually "unknowable".

The third choice is a logical inconsistency, so that is not the correct choice. But that is the one you keep falling back on.

My personal position is #2.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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