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Author Topic:   Could asteroids lead to the extinction of YECism ?
NoNukes
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Message 12 of 137 (722319)
03-20-2014 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by vimesey
03-19-2014 9:36 AM


Could asteroids lead to the extinction of YECism ?

I am sure you know the answer to this question is no. There is no fact, however blatantly obvious and however contrary to the description in Genesis, that a YEC cannot deny, explain away, or claim to be instead evidence in support of his beliefs.

Evidence that Genesis 1 and are not a description of our origins is available almost everywhere we look. This has been the state of things for over 350 years. A lot of it was turned up by Christians doing astronomy, geology, biology, etc. None of it convinces that special believer in the literal Bible worship that is the essence of the YEC.

Maintaining belief in the face of the evidence is itself a merit badge for some of the faithful. Some YECs, (not going to name you, DT, Z, MS) come here just to earn such credit. But for most YECs, Creation science is just a lark.

And if nothing else works, YEC can recite the following before praying for those people with Fallen brains:

quote:
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

or Job 5:13, or Proverbs 14:8, or 1 Corinthians 1:20, or James 3:15:

quote:
James 3:15

Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.



Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 119 of 137 (723151)
03-27-2014 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
03-27-2014 8:24 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
I would have thought it clear enough that the unobservable past is what the evolutionists and OE people think they are dealing with.

The past IS unobservable to them and yet they feel free to declare what happened during it.

That is exactly what you do all of the time, and in the past you have acknowledged doing so. Despite knowing diddly squat about thermodynamics, chemistry, physics, or anything else relevant to geology, you swear that you can date geological features and rocks regardless of whether you have even seen or touched them. Then you call that nonsense process of making up crap - "interpretation".

No scientist has any more hubris than that.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 126 of 137 (723178)
03-27-2014 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
03-27-2014 8:35 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
I don't have an unobservable past to deal with

Don't be ridiculous. Who observed the Grand Canyon forming or Adam being formed from dust or the creation of the moon and the lesser lights.

You argue that materialistic evidence supports your position on those things all the time.

Further you don't require observation before you spout silly stuff anyway.

Every time we look at Alpha Centauri we are observing how it appeared 4.3 years ago. That is from the observable and knowable past. And when we view the andromeda galaxy, we are viewing directly the state of that galaxy 2.5 million years ago. Not unobservable in any sense.

You can 'interpret' that stuff to conform to a 6000 year old universe only because you don' t have any ability to check your work.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 128 of 137 (723202)
03-27-2014 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by kbertsche
03-27-2014 2:16 PM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
EXACTLY! The Bible is not trying to teach ANY particular "shape" for the universe; it's not concerned about the shape of the universe.

Exactly, Exactly. Therefore scientific experiments which provide a more detailed picture of the Big Bang have no Biblical implications, because they deal with an issue that is of no concern of the Bible.

I knew we'd agree on something.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 129 of 137 (723215)
03-27-2014 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by herebedragons
03-27-2014 8:57 AM


Re: Old Earth views of some Christian leaders
2. We have misunderstood what the Bible teaches about these things.

2A. The Bible actually makes no attempt to teach about those things.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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