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Author Topic:   Christian Superhero Fred Phelps is no longer with us
saab93f
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Message 26 of 52 (722440)
03-21-2014 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by DevilsAdvocate
03-21-2014 8:06 AM


Not all Christians are the Jew-hating, gay-hating, racist bigots you seem to attribute them to be. In fact the opposite is true. Don't judge an entire religion by the few extremists. I don't attribute all non-believers as heathen, satanists.
You are absolutely right. Generalisations rarely hit the nail on the head. What is true however is that christians are reluctant to condemn the atrocities committed by other christians justifying their deeds witht the religion because by doing that theyd be somewhat condemning themselves. The same applies to the "moderate muslims" even more so.
Aint it funny how predominantly xian people of the US despise, distrust and hate those who adhere to no deity. Way more than those of "competing" religions. What does that tell about the pious (in general)?
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saab93f
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Message 33 of 52 (722453)
03-21-2014 9:07 AM
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03-21-2014 8:26 AM


There are many, many Christians and Christian denominations who have spoken out against Fred Phelps. Most denominations have denounced him. I am sure some of the funerals Phelp's and his church protested at, were military members and families who were Christians. Christians on this board have denounced Phelps includng Faith and others. I have never met a Christian (or a non-Christian) who has said, "The Westboro Church is doing such a great service to God and country protesting those nast gays and the funerals of those military heathens". Really, honestly, have you heard this from most Christians? No, only from the fringe extremists.
I shouldve been more precise. I am not saying that peeps like Fred Phelps were supported by many but many others have been spoken about with an almost reverence. An example might be Jerry Falwell. Many xians (again not all) were of an opinion that he was an honest man of "The Good Book" when looking from the outside he was a horrible bigot.
I do not despise, distrust and hate those who adhere to no deity. I was at one time agnostic. My parents as well as my sister are atheists. Again, you are using a broad brush to generalize all Christians. You are doing the very thing you denouncing. Overgeneralization.
I posted a link to justify my claims that were not directed at you but the religious community at large.

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saab93f
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Message 41 of 52 (722500)
03-21-2014 3:03 PM
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03-21-2014 12:58 PM


I don't really think that is true. Your painting with a big brush again. Most Christians I associate with and talk to have disdain for Fred Phelps and the Westboro church. Have you seen anyone on here praising Phelps? Can you provide me evidence which supports this idea?
This time I was referring to Falwell. There were swarms of people in his funeral praising what a great character he was. There were many notables there, those you can label mainstream xians, who just flat out lied or were just polite. Honest they were not...

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saab93f
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Message 47 of 52 (722517)
03-21-2014 5:35 PM
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03-21-2014 3:40 PM


I am not and would not like to group you with likes of Phelps, Falwell or Haggart. They do you great injustice.
What I was trying to do was invoke debate on whether religious moderates are able and willing to really distance themselves from the extremists even though that meant ackowledging that faith may take ugly shapes.

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