No you missed my point. The logic fallacy sword you are using against Christianity is the same one you would have to use for atheism or non-believers. I don't agree with using this logical fallacy at all. That is my point.
If I am using a logical fallacy (I'm not), it's not the same one you are using. You are comparing made up people to real ones. You are trying to say we can't compare actual christians to actual christians because you made up a type of atheist. The closest you could come to doing the same thing I am doing is comparing all atheists to guys like
Charlie Check'm. Except: atheists (that actually know who he is) are very vocal about either correcting his dumb ass or disowning him altogether. What doesn't happen, though, is saying "he's not a real atheist, so we don't have to worry about correcting him or making sure he doesn't seem to represent atheists".
I don't know if they or not.
That's funny because you are on record very recently as saying Phelps and Faith are not true christians.
You are angry because some Christians or supposed Christians commit wrongdoing and things that are morally objectionable. I agree with this moral outrage. A lot of other Christians disagree with this behavior and feel moral outrage at Phelps.
I'm not angry, pal. Pointing out flaws in your faith is not anger, no matter how tightly you hold it to your chest. I'm simply having a discussion and it happens to be at the expense of your faith. if you don't like it, bow out or don't put your faith out there.
Than if anyone states that all atheists are evil, you state you can't group all non-believers with Stalin, Mao and other notorious people who espouse atheism. It is a double edge logic fallacy sword and you are stabbing yourself with it. YOU Hooah, are being as illogical as Fred Phelps and others who denounce non-believers as "evil". I am not calling you an "evil, satanic baby-killers". I don't believe that. I am pointing out your logic fallacy of ascribing all Christians with the actions of a subgroup of Christians.
And you accuse ME of building up a strawman? When in this discussion have I done this? You are making shit up.
Look, the point of contention here as far as I am concerned is not that I lump you intogether with Phelps or Haggart (because I don't, actually, but making you accept them as christians causes you to feel that way), it's that you try to disassociate yourself from them by saying "they aren't real christians, so I they aren't our repsonsibility". it's the "they aren;t real christians" that is the problem. You should say "yes, they are christians, but they don't speak for the rest of us and we as a group should take more effort to make sure they don't represent us and make us look bad" (or something of the sort). But no, you try to hand wave them off by claiming them to not even be a part of the same group. News flash: they are part of your group whether you like it or not.
And to those atheists you strawmanned up? Yea, they are atheists alright. Won't deny that. The difference here and the reason the comparison doesn't work: there is no atheist dogma that binds us together. there is ONE question asked to newcomer atheists: do you believe in god. If the answer is anything other than no, welcome to the club. You, on the other hand, have a guide book and a club with rules. ANYONE can be a christian and they ARE is they say they are because none of you can get the rules right. Even the "I'm not religious, I just have a personal relationship with jesus" types. Yes, you have to own them too.
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