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Larni
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Message 201 of 1309 (723138)
03-27-2014 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Faith
03-25-2014 5:43 AM


My mum is gay. Always was. Period.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 202 of 1309 (723139)
03-27-2014 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by lokiare
03-25-2014 5:36 PM


Homosexuality is not a mental disorder.

If you can show where in the DSM-V it is I will give £10 to the Christian hate group of your choice.

And for someone to have too much 5HT it would be genetic, obviously.

I personally don't want to be subjected to things I don't like and I certainly don't want to be influences subconsciously by them.

You actually believe you could be influenced by the tele into being gay? The only way that could work is if you are gay and won't admit it.

You can't catch gay from the TV, young lady :rofl:

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 221 of 1309 (723188)
03-27-2014 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by AZPaul3
03-27-2014 6:59 AM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
I thought leading by love, tolerance and respect, leading by example, were supposed to be the christian things to do. For a lot of christian cults this is, apparently, not the case.

Where on Earth did you get this idea? The source of all our knowledge about god's character (the Bible) tells us He wants the gays all dead.

Leviticus 20:13

Not serving them bread is just a watered down version of this because a fundemental xian honestly believe being gay is against God and therefor evil.

From a fundamentalist point of view it is perfectly logical to not want to be party to being being gay (even down to feeding them).

Your point about xians now living in a world where their preferences are kowtowed to being over must really bother them.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 223 of 1309 (723197)
03-27-2014 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by vimesey
03-27-2014 8:42 AM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
The fundamentalist reply to that is:

"If you saw a young child convinced that it would be safe for them to run into a burning would you let them, knowing as you do the result of that action would be fiery death"

Fundamentalist believe that will happen to sinners and how can they stand by and let that happen. Sin genuinely means fiery death to a fundamentalist for sinners and how can they stand by and let that happen.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 236 of 1309 (723318)
03-29-2014 5:50 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by Tangle
03-29-2014 4:05 AM


I'm very happy about this new law.

Fundamentalist types can whine and bitch all they like but their way of life is going the way of the dinosaurs (sorry, contrary unicorns).

I couldn't be happier that they cannot force their Bronze Age ways of life on people in the UK yet another issue.

:rofl:

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Message 248 of 1309 (723483)
04-02-2014 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by lokiare
03-28-2014 2:41 PM


I looked at one of the papers you posted (at random) and was very interested in the following rebuttal of the paper about abused children being turned gay.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23519594

I assume you have read it?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 302 of 1309 (727286)
05-17-2014 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Faith
05-17-2014 1:35 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
The issue I'm talking about comes up ONLY when someone requires ME, me personally, to do something that actively and consciously violates my conscience or my moral standards.

But it is the law and you have to obey it.

Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

How is this different from a member of NAMBLA refusing to obey the law because it conflicts with what he feels is moral?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 311 of 1309 (727350)
05-17-2014 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by PaulK
05-17-2014 12:22 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
What baffles me is that I (a committed atheist), seem to have a better grasp on the intra intricacies of the Bible than an obviously committed xian.

Go figure.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 318 of 1309 (727373)
05-17-2014 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Faith
05-17-2014 4:02 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Faith, do YOU personally believe the gaywise are abhorrent or is that position derived from your faith (as I recall you saying that you were once an atheist)?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 323 of 1309 (727437)
05-18-2014 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 322 by Faith
05-18-2014 10:52 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Your bible disagrees with you.

Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Seems pretty clear to me: for your conscience to be clear you have to obey the secular law.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 337 of 1309 (727472)
05-18-2014 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
05-18-2014 11:25 AM


Re: obedience
Funny how it's in context when it agrees with you and out of context when it does not.

I suppose leviticus 20:13 is out of loving gay people context of leviticus, in general?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 341 of 1309 (727478)
05-18-2014 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Faith
05-18-2014 1:35 PM


Re: obedience
Which Caesar is this?

Please don't say Obama.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
 Message 340 by Faith, posted 05-18-2014 1:35 PM Faith has not yet responded

Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 344 of 1309 (727481)
05-18-2014 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by Faith
05-18-2014 1:22 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
You're on the right side though, you can be happy when the Christians, nasty evil bigots, haters and hypocrites we are, get our just desserts.

Which is a good thing.

People should be punished for their unacceptable behaviour. You place yourself on the wrong side of the law and society by your behaviour and then you complain?

The values you cleave to are no longer acceptable behaviour in society. Just like calling black people 'boy' and a husband forcing his wife to have sex against her wishes.

Either you adapt you behaviour of society will sanction you. That is the reality. No one falls for the martyr card these days.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


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Message 351 of 1309 (727499)
05-18-2014 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:21 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I think you will find that it is rationality that opposes your stance of the gays, not hatred. There is a difference between hate and not agreeing with you.

Edited by Larni, : No reason given.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
 Message 350 by Faith, posted 05-18-2014 3:21 PM Faith has responded

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 357 of 1309 (727508)
05-18-2014 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
05-18-2014 3:39 PM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Nazis you really truly are

Opps.

You loose.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


This message is a reply to:
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