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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 254 of 1309 (726948)
05-14-2014 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Faith
05-14-2014 4:44 AM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
if they have any idea whatever that they are Christians, as many absurdly and delusionally do

so your implication here is that a homosexual cannot be christian, but your definition of christian on another thread is:
quote:
Paul taught salvation by faith alone quite clearly over and over again

quote:
The full Reformation formula taken from the scriptures is that we're saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone

So, although a "Sinner" by virtue of their homsexuality, it certainly does not disbarr them from being Christian.

That doesn't mean gays aren't citizens who should be treated equally as citizens

And that is all they request to be treated EQUALLY in all aspects of their daily life. This means not being discriminated against, whether that means in a bakery, a bus, a wedding chapel or wherever.

Why do you find this such a threat to your life?

Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.


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Heathen
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Message 258 of 1309 (726963)
05-14-2014 9:04 AM
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05-14-2014 5:38 AM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
You cannot be a PRACTICING sinner and be saved

So Paul was wrong?

Paul taught salvation by faith alone

and the scriptures are wrong?
we're saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone

Are you Sin-free?
Or do you sin?

Do you consider yourself saved or hellbound?

Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.


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Heathen
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Message 268 of 1309 (727041)
05-15-2014 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Faith
05-14-2014 10:17 AM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
So salvation comes NOT through faith alone. (as you have previously claimed)

But rather through a combination of works and grace?


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Heathen
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Message 271 of 1309 (727048)
05-15-2014 6:06 AM
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05-15-2014 3:38 AM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
How does one achieve grace?
Through faith?

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Heathen
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Message 272 of 1309 (727049)
05-15-2014 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Faith
05-15-2014 3:36 AM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
It's being made as clear as possible,

For instance:
You think the catholic church is the Antichrist, yes?
Therefore we would assume that any marriage perfomed by this church is not recognised by you.

However, The state recognises such marriages.

Do you feel that your Religious freedoms are being infringed upon because these catholic weddings are being recognised and accepted by the state and society at large?

Is it fascistic that you are not allowed to discriminate against catholics? or jews? or muslims? or mormons? or jehovahs witnesses?


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Heathen
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Message 281 of 1309 (727170)
05-16-2014 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
05-15-2014 11:59 PM


Re: Becoming a Christian means giving up your sins
So, Christianity means not sinning.
Christianity is about turning sinners into saints, that means losing your sins.

Do you sin? are you going to heaven?

Your reply seems to state that only those who stop sinning win salvation.

but that when they became followers of Christ they no longer practiced those sins

that sure as hell sounds like salvation through works to me.

nor adulterers, nor homosexuals..., nor covetous, nor drunkards

So from this I assume that these cake shops will be refusing to make a wedding cake for:
- anyone who has divorced and is remarrying?
- or anyone who covets their neighbours cake,
- or any alcoholics?

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Heathen
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Message 286 of 1309 (727181)
05-16-2014 9:12 AM
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05-16-2014 6:23 AM


Re: Becoming a Christian means giving up your sins
Then you go on to misinterpret the point about the wedding cake. It really shouldn't be that hard to figure out. A wedding cake is a specially ordered service that is specific to the celebration of a wedding. That's what makes it a problem for a Christian baker who has been asked to make such a cake for a gay wedding. As I've also said over and over there would be no problem for the baker with any other kind of bakery goods a gay person wanted for any other kind of celebration or any other reason.

It actually wouldn't surprise me if you wanted to prevent someone celebrating a "Gay Birthday" or something, after all, it's your duty not to support their sinful lifestyle.
How about a Christening cake for a child of a gay couple? I suppose the christening is something to be supported, but it's not a "Gay christening" is it? so i guess you'd have no issue with that?

But, I am interested to hear your views on supplying a cake for a catholic wedding or a jewish wedding or a muslim, hindu or non-protestant reformist wedding.
according to your beliefs these weddings should not be recognised and as such should not be supported by god fearing christians.


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Heathen
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Message 512 of 1309 (727964)
05-22-2014 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by Faith
05-21-2014 6:18 PM


Re: evidence
If all men are created equal that means all

Except gays. Obviously.

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 513 of 1309 (727965)
05-22-2014 7:16 AM
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05-22-2014 6:16 AM


Re: evidence
I don't see that you've said anything I haven't already answered a hundred times in this thread.

perhaps you should attempt to acually read and respond..

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