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Message 10 of 1309 (722756)
03-24-2014 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by lokiare
03-24-2014 2:41 PM


So if homosexuality doesn't fit into evolution why is it here at all? Wouldn't it have been evolved out by now?

well if you take a the human species as an example for the past 1000 or more years just about everywhere on the planet gays where killed, tortured and or imprisoned. So naturaly people hid their sexuality, got married and had kids to show see im not gay im just in touch with my feminine side LOL. So all that fighting against gays probably increased the gay population in humans.

As fare as gay animals go, take a look at bees or ants most of their population cannot breed yet they still exist as they serve a purpose in their social structure, gays in a wolfpack for instance increase the odds of their siblings surviving, as they have a strong male member that will not weaken the pack with fights over females. and even though they do not pass their genes on directly their closest relatives do more often and a proportion of them will be gay, as we know its not a gene itself that determines "gayness" it also has to do with the environment the genes just increase the chance.

If it is not a biological process and a result of choice and environment then it shouldn't be protected under the law any more than any other choice/environment option (like say vegetarianism). So which side does it fall under and what are the scientific and lawful implications?

It is a biological process in short during development, a lack of some hormones and possibly other environmental factors influence the development of the part of the brain that determines who you are attracted to. Think you'r brain was wired to find girls/boys attractive its not really a choice if you think it is watch a gay porno and see if you can get a hadron.

I put forward several studies that have been done that show homosexuality is more by choice and environment and falls under a mindset rather than a biological imperative or being of genetic origin:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts

And i challenge you to watch a gay porno with a couple of your sex, and get aroused by choice. And no cheating by thinking of girls think of men. If you can manage that you are either gay/bisexual or you have a point.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 82 of 1309 (722930)
03-25-2014 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by lokiare
03-25-2014 5:27 PM


Because it is getting to the point where it is coming into direct conflict with the laws that protect the free exorcise of religion. A christian bakery is now being sued and threatened with criminal conduct for choosing not to serve a homosexual couple for example. So it actually is our business. You'll notice that we didn't really care until that point. We tried to convert them, but that was it.

Well my religion says that i cannot do business with black people, and now i can be sued, Nazis tried to make them white with blue eyes and the world condemned such experiments and prosecuted the scientists.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 204 of 1309 (723141)
03-27-2014 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
03-27-2014 3:17 AM


Re: Why are choices fair game?
Ah well. Interracial marriage is not opposed by Christian doctrine. Individual Christians opposing it are not acting on Christian doctrine but from their fallen minds.

Yea they where not really Christian right sorry but you cant white wash Christian crimes against humanity like that.

Bans on interracial marriage where lifted do to being unconstitutional no christians needed. But christians did vigorussly defend those bans with quotes like:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

These types of marriages are "abominable," according to Virginia law. If allowed, they would "pollute" America.

and they stomped their bible too

Deuteronomy 7:3-4
New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.

Slavery was opposed BY Christians even if again some individual Christians rationalized it, not having freed their minds from the mentality of the pagan world. Christian DOCTRINE led them to oppose it while it is still practiced throughout the world in nonChristian societies.

Slavery was defended by Christians to the point of ware.

[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts.

—Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America

... the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example.

—Richard Furman, President, South Carolina Baptist Convention

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

How can you say the bible is against slavery when even Jesus told the slaves to obey their masters. And no you cant weasel out that slavery was different back then you could beat your slave to death just as long as he survives for a day or two. And the 7 year slave time does not apply to blacks because they where bought from naigoburing lands.

Also, Christ liberated women from their oppressed condition in Jewish society and eventually, in the west at least, from the universal oppression in all societies that is the legacy of the Fall, by treating women with respect. Over time it was Christ's acceptance of women that led to women's rights in western societies, while again, women remained oppressed all over the nonChristian world and still are in many parts of it.

yea sure it was the Christians, you sure they dint fight tooth and nail against women's rights.

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
(Colossians 3:18; cf. 1 Peter 3:1 and Ephesians 5:22)

... I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man...For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, foreasmuch as he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
(1 Corinthians 11:3 & 7-9)

Let your women keep silence in churches: for it is not permitted unto them; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also sayeth the law.
(1 Corinthians 14:34, c/f 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 & Timothy 2:11-12)

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

Titus 2:4-5
Teach the young women to be ... obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.

Yea the bible really loves women's rights, and Christians had no qualms of quoting the bible to fight the women's rights movement every inch of the way.

Being accused of these things as if they were a matter of Christian doctrine when it was Christian doctrine that was the only source of opposition to them is somewhat like being accused of atheism by the Romans. OUR society seems to be run by false propaganda these days, having lost any sense of history.

Yea the propaganda is Christians are good so it is impossible for Christians to ever be for slavery. or against women's rights, or interracial marriage because that would be bad. And in 50 years time a another fundamentalist will arrive and say it was the Christians who supported gay marriage equality all the way its not supported in those pesky non Christian countries.

Christianity dint push any equal rights agendas secularism and reason did, religion did what it always does fight to keep the status quoe as changes can be dangerous to the flock count.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 273 of 1309 (727050)
05-15-2014 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Faith
05-14-2014 7:17 PM


Re: Courts strike down anti-gay maraige in Arkansas and Idaho
The point I was making was that Christian businesses HAVE BEEN persecuted, had to pay a fine, for refusing to offer services that would have given tacit approval to gay marriage, which they strongly oppose on biblical grounds.

So let me get this straight Christians are in a no win situation in this case as if they dont serve gays they will get fined, but if they do God is gonna send them to hell for baking a cake for a gay couple?


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 282 of 1309 (727171)
05-16-2014 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
05-15-2014 11:59 PM


Re: Becoming a Christian means giving up your sins
Jesus kept company with sinners, but sinners all have to give up their sin to be saved, meaning to be a Christian, all sinners, all sin, and He gives the power to do that. I'd call that nice myself. That's what I was talking about in context if anybody cares about context.

Christianity is about turning sinners into saints, that means losing your sins. That's what Jesus came to do, that's what He died for.

ABE: I'll elaborate:

That means prostitutes -- Mary Magdalene gave that up; tax collectors who defrauded the people -- Matthew and Zacchaeus in that case, and Paul gives a long list of sinners in 1 Corinthians 6 that will not inherit the kingdom of God but goes on to say how many of the Christians he was preaching to had once also lived like that, but that when they became followers of Christ they no longer practiced those sins:

so why not go the Jesus way: ah you gay couple here be your cake for your wedding, enjoy it here on earth but i would not be a Christian if i don't tell you you will burn in hell for all eternity if you get married, god loves you.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 283 of 1309 (727173)
05-16-2014 3:37 AM


This kind of fits here LOL

Straight the new Gay

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


frako
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Message 374 of 1309 (727552)
05-19-2014 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Faith
05-19-2014 1:05 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Ten Commandments for instance, were essential to a peaceful and prosperous nation.

1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Well that's not a law in america quite the opposite you can worship any god.

2.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

that's not a law either have a look at your dollar bill, and yea its perfectly ok to bow and pray to a honey bo bo statue.

3.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;
Also not a law - freedom of speech

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. - by watching football not a law or anything close to a law.

5.Honour thy father and thy mother: not a law or anything close

6. Thou shalt not kill. Final'y a law dont kill unless your a cop shooting an armed man or a soldier shooting the enemy ...

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. - not a law or anything close

8.Thou shalt not steal. - Oh finally another law, don't steal unless its the land of the native Americans and your going to Christianise them, or its oil in a foreign country, or if your stealing tax money from the poor ...

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. yea as long as it is not in court or when talking to the FBI you can lie about your neighbour as much as you want not a law.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

Cmmon america is built on coveting thy neighbours stuff

So how many of the 10 commandments are the basis of america again?


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 380 of 1309 (727561)
05-19-2014 4:11 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Faith
05-19-2014 3:17 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I said "were." They've been thrown out in recent years, that's why the nation is self-destructing.
Yes, even the Deist founders were in favor of the Ten Commandments.

ok give me some examples of how the founding fathers used the 10 commandments as laws ???

And then provide the approximate times the nation self destructed and stooped obeying each commandment.

Thats what you got to do in order to convince me that the 10 commandments where on their mind when the founding fathers wrote the constitution.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 381 of 1309 (727562)
05-19-2014 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 379 by Faith
05-19-2014 4:00 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
Far as I know it isn't illegal. What is your point?

Well the first commandment, do you remember what it says??

don't worship anyone but meee mee meee no 40 000 Hindu gods can be worshipped.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 395 of 1309 (727576)
05-19-2014 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by Faith
05-19-2014 5:19 AM


Re: You knew sinners bought cakes when you baked them.
I said they spoke approvingly of Christian morality, spoke of it as essential to a good society, and you can do the research. There are quotations on the subject from all of them, that have probably even be quoted here before. They had no reason to oppose anything in the Ten Commandments. They were totally naïve about the pagan religions though.

1. amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

1. COMMANDMENT

THOU SHAL NOT HAVE ANY GODS BEFORE ME!!!

so the very first amendemant was the beginning of the downfall of america as worship of other gods was allowed ?


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 405 of 1309 (727746)
05-20-2014 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Faith
05-20-2014 10:35 AM


Re: sexual aberrations
The subject is gay marriage, the changing of an institution to apply it to people other than it is meant to apply to. It isn't about people at all really, it's about a misapplication of marriage and what ought to be my right to refuse to honor it. All your nasty comparisons have nothing to do with this.

Well yes what oyu dont understand there is a Christian meaning of marriage and the meaning the state uses, I think gays are pretty fine without your religious mumbo jumbo priests preforming such a marriage that's your part. What gays want is equal rights, not a condo up in heaven for doing what god wants.

you can paint marriage as holy as you want it does not matter the use of marriage in society is what counts, and gays are prevented this use.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 420 of 1309 (727783)
05-20-2014 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by Faith
05-20-2014 2:49 PM


Re: sexual aberrations
Now they've found a way they can take away the rights of Bible Christians by forcing us to validate gay marriage or take punishment.

yea they want you to validate it as the state does, you can still scream bloody murder theyr not going to heaven, you just cant deny them marriage. marriage is not a Christian invention and you do not have a monopoly or a patent on it.

And marriage isnt the only right yes they get to shop everywhere too, they get the same sinks, as everybody else, the bathrooms .... Would you not sell a cake to a muslim couple, what about a jewish couple, or atheist couple, because from your perspective we are all sinners too so no cake for us right.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 427 of 1309 (727793)
05-20-2014 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Faith
05-20-2014 3:10 PM


Re: sexual aberrations
so gays should be second class citizens with no aces to gay wedding photos and gay wedding cake.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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Message 449 of 1309 (727821)
05-20-2014 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by Faith
05-20-2014 4:23 PM


Christians object to gay marriage and are not allowed to. Why don't you follow the whole sequence here? Christians are being set up so that if we object to gay marriage we can be punished by the state. Of coruse that's all right with everyone here, you just need to get up to speed.

Yea im pretty fine with that the same way i would be fine with those people who killed that woman for turning Christian to get married got punished for their actions.

now im not saying you are not allowed to voice your opinions you can shout it off the rooftops for what i care, but your religion does not give you the right to treat people of different religions, race or sexuality like second class citizens.

now if you dont want to bake cakes for gays then stop baking cakes, chances are a few gays already bought cake from you and you just dint know it. But you cant say i wont sell to jews, chinks, niggers, and or gays, because my faery godmother told me not to.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 456 of 1309 (727838)
05-21-2014 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
05-20-2014 10:29 PM


Re: evidence
Yea serves them right for being bigots.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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