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Faith writes:
Bullshit Faith. I am a Christian and support same sex marriage so once again you are shown to be at best misrepresenting reality. Nevertheless a Christian couldn't vote for gay marriage under any circumstances. And here is St. Stanislaus church showing support at the gay pride parade:
That's Father Marek on the far left. He's totally awesome. Got himself excommunicated, but a cool guy nonetheless.
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What's the difference between being reverend and being very reverend?
I've never heard that before. Heh, reminds me of this:
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and doubtful for the same reason, against the many states that have put gay marriage bans on the ballot How many people have to support something in order to propose a ballot?
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Yeah, well, the times they are a changin'
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Its very simple, Faith.
Can your business provide its services to every single person that walks through the door? What's that? No, you can't make cakes for gay weddings? Oh, then you don't qualify for a business license. The rules are the same for everyone.
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Does this mean that you understand that, according to the law, refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is discrimination?
I get that its all the work of the devil.... But do you at least understand that it is, in fact, what the law says?
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or take the consequences. And those consequences are: 1.) Do not offer your services to the public.2.) Suck it up and make the damned cake anyways. I don't understand why a Christian business owner, when faced with these two options, cannot just make the cake with the understanding that they are only doing it to have a business license and that they are not, in fact, validating the marriage by making the cake. Can you explain why that is impossible? In Message 993, you ask:
And would you bake a cake and inscribe it with "White Supremacy Forever" or "Heil Hitler" or "Seventy-Fifth Anniversary of the Most Glorious Gassing of Jews." Absolutely, I would. I couldn't care less what the cake says. You know why? Making a cake doesn't validate anything. I can literally write anything on a cake and not care in the slightest because it means absolutely nothing. You could hire me to bake a cake that says: "Faith has been right this whole time and everything I've said on this thread is wrong" and it wouldn't matter to me in the slightest. Because its wrong and writing it on a cake doesn't make it right, nor does it matter. Its just icing on cake. Its literally meaningless. I'd put "The Pope is the antichrist" on a cake, IDGAF.
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Everything you've said against gay people was said against black people during segregation.
That should be telling.
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Most black people know better, they know there is no legitimate comparison between the black Civil Rights movement and this attempt to legitimize a nonracial nonethnic group. I wasn't comparing the movement. I was comparing what you said about the groups. And my point stands: What you are saying about gay people was said about black people.
Shall we make pedophiles the next protected Minority? Sure, why not? Have a business deny service to a person because they are a pedophile and let's see what the courts decide. There's nothing wrong with having sexual desires and people shouldn't be discriminated against for having them. Acting on them is another story when it comes to non-consenting adults, though.
You'll scream that there's no comparison but there is. Hmm, I didn't scream.
These groups are defined by their feelings and desires, unlike a racial or ethnic group. Feelings and desires are perfectly acceptable things to base protected classes on. You know how I know? Religion is a protected class and that is nothing but feelings and desires. I was hoping to get a explanation in response to my question in Message 1113...
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Faith writes:
Nope. Paedophiles harm children But you know what, I think it really could come to protecting pedophiles too in one form or another. Not necessarily. You can be a pedophile who has never had sex with a child. And I think if people discriminate against you based on just your sexual preference, then that should be disallowed as well.
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You're assuming the pedophile has engaged in criminal activity and I am not.
How about this one: "I refuse to offer you the services my business provides because you have a speeding ticket, you filthy criminal, get out of here!" Discrimination or not?
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defining marriage as an objective social institution Given that its a social institution, then society gets to define it. Society has spoken. Gay people are allowed to marry now. Deal with it.
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Ahem:
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So? So more people think it should be valid than don't. That is society speaking. That is society redefining a social institution.
What I said was true, the courts have overruled the vote of the people in state after state. How else would you prevent the majority from discriminating against a minority? If it was good enough for slavery then its good enough for gay marriage.
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Homosexuality is not a legitimate minority. It is just as legitimate as a religious minority.
We do not grant special rights to aberrant groups. Of course we do, silly. What are you talking about?
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