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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Have you ever heard of the Boston Martyrs, Faith ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I think that passing a law specifically banning Quakers from the Colony on pain of death - and actually executing some who disobeyed it - is more than a mere aberration.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Which "mistakes" are those ? There were four executions, and a whole lot of other bad behaviour.
quote: There is no law commanding support for gay marriage. Only laws demanding non-discrimination in the provision of services.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: What on earth are you talking about ?
quote: So far as I am aware White Supremacists are not a minority in need of protection or with legal protection from discrimination. And personally I would point out that there are significant differences between would-be oppressors and those who wish to be free from oppression. Again, you are attacking the law without understanding what it says or the reasons behind it. But I guess pointing that out is what you call "hate".
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I notice that you keep dropping claims without offering the slightest support. But I want to know who is "being clever" and how.
quote: I have a rather different view of anti-discrimination laws. But you're obviously not interested in actually discussing those issues. Which is one of the ways that we can tell that you're the hater here.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Perhaps you could point to the laws which made Hinduism, for example, illegal in the United States, and tell us when they were repealed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: It's not at all obvious that Biblical Christians should oppose gay marriage, as a secular institution. Nor is it obvious that you can judge a law based only on one of it's effects. And if the hate is against you, why are you the one making wild accusations and refusing to understand the issues?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: If I ask when a law was repealed it should be pretty clear that I don't think that it is in effect now. So you aren't answering the question at all. But I'll rephrase it. Which laws enforced the First Commandment, and when were they repealed ? You said it was only done recently.....
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Faith, can't you see what is really going on in this discussion ? You are the one who doesn't understand what is going on. You haven't bothered to understand what is going on. You won't listen to those of us who tell you what's going on. And because we don't agree with your fantasies you incorporate us into them, and accuse us of being Nazis.
Now you tell me, is that Christian behaviour ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
OK, Faith I think that this is an opportunity for you to learn something and to start fixing one of the problems holding you back in debates. As numerous examples attest you aren't very good on evaluating evidence. You need to understand what the facts are, which claims they support and how the facts support the claims.
So, to start. 1) which of your claims is supported by this alleged evidence? I think we need not bother with undisputed claims here 2) how does the evidence support the claims?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Faith, what evidence do you have that granting gays the benefit of the non-discrimination laws will lead to persection of "Christians" ? And spare us the unsupported assertions, and fantasies. I mean actual evidence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You haven't given any real evidence that there's any intent to take things as far as actual persecution. Christians are still protected by the same laws. The Constitution still forbids laws directly targeting Christians. There's no sign of any move to change any of that. And even your "enemies", such as the ACLU would oppose attempts to change that.
So what evidence do you have?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
So you think that the Southern Baptists are pseudo-Christians? And all the segregegationusts? And everyone who pushes the "Curse of Ham" business as a reason to argue that Blacks should be servants?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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To sum up, all your whining about "persecution" is really whining that you "Christians" are no longer allowed to persecute others.
I guess you ought to go back at least as far as Charles II taking control of Massachusetts bay and telling the Puritans that they weren't allowed to have Quakers whipped out of town any more.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Sure, the "right" to persecute others is just a "protection".
quote: I'd don't want to get rid of Christianity. But there is little that is Christian or good in your cult. However, because I believe in freedom of religion I can only hope that it dies away as its lies and evil are exposed.
quote: Trying to control people with lies and empty threats isn't loving. If the threats weren't empty it would be terrorism.
quote: If you just stuck to warning people that they were going to hell I would be a lot happier. But you're a habitual and unrepentant sinner, too. And your religion is at the heart of your sins. If you want to be a Christian abandon your pride and your hate and your lies. Because if Christianity is true, you're headed straight for hell.
quote: But there are Christiians who have. And your attitude is very dangerous to freedom and society. Belonging to a religion you don't like is a sin ? Then there is no right to practice that religion, and you can suppress it any way you have the power to. Teaching truths you don't like is a sin? Then you can suppress those truths, too. God's judgement is a threat ? Get rid of the sinners. The Old Testament has plenty of nastiness if you need scriptural justification. Maybe you ought to see the virtues of a fair and just society, instead of claiming special privileges for yourself and denying others the rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
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