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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Firstly I think that it is important to recognise that religious non-profits have broad exemptions to anti-discrimination policies. There is no danger of a church minister being forced by the government to hold a gay wedding in his capacity as a minister, unless he starts a for-profit business of holding weddings.
But what needs to be avoided is the situation where minorities who face discrimination are unable to obtain important services. Is it really practical for the courts to be forced to consider whether alternatives are available ? Can those guilty of discrimination get away with it if they can plead that they didn't know that there were no other options for their customers ? Is it just that the law should be more restrictive in situations where there are fewer providers of a service ? And from the other side, do we want the courts settling religious questions ? Do we want courts to decide that a religious belief - or even a religion - is not genuine and shouldn't be protected ? Doesn't this raise the spectre of government discrimination against unpopular religions ? That is not to say that the current laws in the U.S. are ideal, but they aren't obviously wrong either. They're definitely better than giving wholesale freedom to discriminate so long as it's claimed to be religious. And quite possibly better in practice than more complex laws that seem better in principle. It's not an easy problem, and not easy to find something definitely better than the current situation.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Or the idea that Blacks and Whites should be allowed to mingle and even marry ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Some pretty clear exaggeration there. An overbroad subpoena to gather evidence to defend against a lawsuit seems a long way from government control of churches.
And a drop in readership is not sufficient evidence that anyone is cutting off viewers to your blog. How could they ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
It hasn't started, though. And it doesn't seem likely to start.
And the statistics matter far less than the reason behind your statistics. If you have made ANY effort to investigate the cause you haven't mentioned it. You simply jumped to an implausible assumption of censorship.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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If you know any regular readers, you could ask them if they' em read your blog lately and if they haven't you can find out why.
If you think that your blog is being blocked you could just try to read it yourself. If you think that there is a block that you can bypass get a friend to do it, or use public internet or a cyber cafe. i can't think of any reason why you would get a significant number of referrals from search engines. But it is not at all likely that you are being censored. I know that your post must have been really disgusting if you thought it was bad. Maybe it drove your readers away. That's a lot more likely than censorship targeting you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You really think that people who have decided to stop reading your blog will come back as soon as you put up a new post? That's silly.
quote: I doubt that's really the case. And of course you are free to check the search engines as well. I'll bet that you get the same results but I'd be very surprised if many other people did. If they did you'd have a lot more readers than you do (and not just from search engines).
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
That's good. You should listen to sane people more often instead of hurling abuse at them.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I think you mean "almost entirely" by you. For example:
Message 37Message 39 Message 52 Message 205 Message 253 And while I stopped looking after that, let us not forget the recent
Message 635
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: And it's not as bad as any of the examples that I listed. Point to me.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Justice and liberty triumphing over hate, lies and tyranny.
You know that you keep losing in the courts because you don't have any good arguments AGAINST gay marriage ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In other words, you think that the courts shouldn't be about the law or justice. The merits of the arguments raised should have no part in their decision. They should just come to whatever conclusion you want.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The American Right's slide into extremism, and insistence on ideology over truth is certainly worrying.
quote: I don't think that anyone supports the Houston subpoenas, although when the facts are examined they aren't anywhere near as bad as you claimed. To put it simply, defence is not attack. The claims of "attacks" on Christian businesses are also dubious. In my mind not least because the Christian businesses could escape by following a scripture that you cited !
quote: Now that's an over-simplification. Mainly among Muslims, maybe - but not because of Islam. But you might note that your opponents here are neither Muslims nor anti-semites. Nor do we think that anti-semitism is good or progressive.
quote: But that's because you're on the side of evil.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Yawn. Just more of your usual attempts to invert reality. Your inability to fairly evaluate arguments has been demonstrated time and again.
Here's some sane advice. Assuming that the truth is what you want it to be - without bothering to get the facts right and understand the reality - will almost always lead you into error. Try and remember that and act on it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
What about the Klinghoffer opera ? I don't know much about it so I neither support or condemn it. I doubt that you know much more.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In other words I am neither as abusive nor as dishonest as you.
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