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Faith 
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Message 631 of 1309 (740593)
11-06-2014 8:28 AM
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11-06-2014 8:06 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
Any that were driven away by that post would have come back for the other posts. But since most are off the search engines they just follow the topic and that number should remain within the usual range.
The reason I get readers off the search engines has to do with topic. People search on a topic I've posted on and my blog comes up, often at the top of the Google page if my title or key words are well chosen. I also believe I have a unique point of view on some of the topics.
I put up a post about the question of censorship so any who see that should respond if there's anything amiss. I can read the blog, that's not the problem, and I assume anyone who uses the URL to get to it wouldn't have a problem either. If there is any censorship it would be from the blog's being removed from the search engines.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 632 of 1309 (740594)
11-06-2014 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
11-06-2014 8:28 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
You really think that people who have decided to stop reading your blog will come back as soon as you put up a new post? That's silly.
quote:
The reason I get readers off the search engines has to do with topic. People search on a topic I've posted on and my blog comes up, often at the top of the Google page if my title or key words are well chosen. I also believe I have a unique point of view on some of the topics.
I doubt that's really the case. And of course you are free to check the search engines as well. I'll bet that you get the same results but I'd be very surprised if many other people did. If they did you'd have a lot more readers than you do (and not just from search engines).

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Dr Adequate
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Message 633 of 1309 (740599)
11-06-2014 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 622 by Faith
11-06-2014 12:22 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
It has to start somewhere, and government control of the churches and other inconvenient groups started with similar actions in Nazi Germany. Legal stuff. Laws that required church registration, also firearm registration and surrender for instance. Keep in mind that this action by the Houston mayor against pastors is absolutely unprecedented in America.
But this is not the first time that a church has had its documents subpoenaed. Churches are not above the law, so this has happened from time to time, and it is well-established in law that they are obliged to comply. For example Commonwealth of Pennsylvania v. Stewart.
I do not believe that all of the information in the Diocese's archives is privileged. Like other privileges, only confidential communications are protected. The Diocese's documents may contain no confidential communications at all. They may also be partially discoverable if they contain confidential communications along with other information. Thus, while I would find that the Diocese need not produce documents protected by the privilege as construed above, it must produce unprivileged documents in its archives that are responsive to the subpoena.
See also here for general information about churches and subpoenas.
The First Amendment does not protect churches or related ministries from the litigation process, and the mere fact that a ministry is religious in nature is not generally a sufficient reason to avoid complying with a subpoena.
But suddenly, this time, it's the end of the world as we know it. I can think of two reasons why:
(1) It's about hating the gays. That's important. The state is now encroaching upon the central dogma of conservative Christianity.
(2) The sort of mayfly mentality ubiquitous among conservatives which allows them to think that everything is a novelty --- which allows them, for example, to think that the issuing of executive orders (and, in some really whacked-out cases, the use of the Presidential veto) is a novel assumption of dictatorial powers.
In August was the Jackal born;
The Rains fell in September;
"Now such a fearful flood as this,"
Says he, "I can't remember!"
Let me know if you still see it the same way in a few months to a year, if there's anything around to remind you.
Hmm ... fancy a wager?
What would you say if I tell you I've noticed that since I wrote a slightly incendiary post about homosexuality at my blog six days ago, actually pushing it some because I was wondering if it would attract censorship, my daily viewing stats have dramatically dropped since then? For years they've usually fluctuated between about 140 to 180 a day, rising above 200 with the more popular topics, the highest ever being over 700, but over the last three days they dropped to 68 on the 3rd, 40 yesterday and 10 today. Unprecedented. I've written a few posts on different topics since the questionable one. Seems to me cutting off viewers is a form of censorship though not a method I would have anticipated.
I'd say you're a paranoid loon.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 634 of 1309 (740602)
11-06-2014 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by Faith
11-05-2014 5:37 PM


Re: I Re: Second Thoughts
I'm not sure I know what you mean about "general discrimination."
Well, as I said, the laws proposed would (for example) protect a doctor who refused to see a gay patient, or even a police officer who refused to investigate a crime against a gay victim, so long as they can claim it's their religion to hate gay people. Now a religious motivation is not generally an exemption from the law, which is why you still get in trouble if you're a devout Christian and behead someone for being a witch, as just happened in Oklahoma. Or, indeed, if you're a Muslim and blow someone up.

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Faith 
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Message 635 of 1309 (740605)
11-06-2014 10:51 AM


I don't know why I continue to be amazed at the depths of dishonesty and perverted thinking I encounter at EvC. You'd think I'd have long since learned.
It's more sinister than wacky, but here's my usual image of its wacko Futility:

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Taq
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Message 636 of 1309 (740610)
11-06-2014 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 624 by Faith
11-06-2014 12:52 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
Freedom of speech in America SPECIFICALLY covered political speech, the right to criticize those in power.
This isn't a case of someone criticizing someone in power. This has to do with organizing workers to produce invalid signatures on a petition.

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Faith 
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Message 637 of 1309 (740613)
11-06-2014 11:08 AM
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11-06-2014 10:51 AM


Woopsie, just checked the stats on some of my other blogs. Two of them have high stats today. All the other blogs usually get much lower numbers than the main blog, but for them to go up to such a degree while it goes down to such a degree just does not happen. Veddy interesting.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 638 of 1309 (740614)
11-06-2014 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 636 by Taq
11-06-2014 11:06 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
As I already said, the signatures were validated by the City Secretary, then illegally and fraudulently disqualified by the City Attorney. This is what prompted the lawsuit
Houston 5: Dropping subpoenas isn't enough, mayor
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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Message 639 of 1309 (740617)
11-06-2014 11:39 AM


In an odd coincidence, gays and cakes and lawyers are in the news here today. This looks to me like an ambush - the cake offensive is now on globally. Christian bigots had better start learning to be 'too busy' to take on these kind of orders.
Christians who refused to make a gay rights cake now face a sexual orientation discrimination court case
The Equality Commission has confirmed that it is taking legal action against a Christian-run bakery in Northern Ireland for refusing to make a cake celebrating gay marriage.
Earlier this year, Ashers Baking Company, a family business based in Belfast, declined the request by a gay rights activist because it was "at odds" with the owners’ conservative beliefs, the BBC reports.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/...t-christian-bakery#ixzz3IJ53tiBt

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Taq
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Message 640 of 1309 (740619)
11-06-2014 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 638 by Faith
11-06-2014 11:12 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
As I already said, the signatures were validated by the City Secretary, then illegally and fraudulently disqualified by the City Attorney.
What was illegal or fraudelent about the disqualifications?

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Faith 
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Message 641 of 1309 (740620)
11-06-2014 11:50 AM
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11-06-2014 11:39 AM


Looks to me like they are targeted in such a way as to be caught off guard because the whole point is to take legal action against them. Seems the One World Order is using the Gay Agenda as a weapon against its enemies.

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Message 642 of 1309 (740622)
11-06-2014 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by Faith
11-06-2014 11:50 AM


Faith writes:
Looks to me like they are targeted in such a way as to be caught off guard because the whole point is to take legal action against them. Seems the One World Order is using the Gay Agenda as a weapon against its enemies.
I assume you mean New World Order? If so, you're more paranoid and bonkers than I thought.
The gay movement is just campaigning for its rights. Northern Ireland refused legislation for gay marriage - the LGB pepes are pissed off and are trying to get their point across. Legally.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Taq
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Message 643 of 1309 (740632)
11-06-2014 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by Faith
11-06-2014 11:50 AM


Looks to me like they are targeted in such a way as to be caught off guard because the whole point is to take legal action against them.
The anti-gay group is the one who filed the lawsuit in the Houston case. They are the ones who took legal action.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 644 of 1309 (740645)
11-06-2014 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by Faith
11-06-2014 11:50 AM


One World Order?
The world you live in must be terrifying.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 645 of 1309 (740669)
11-06-2014 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 622 by Faith
11-06-2014 12:22 AM


Re: Delusions of Persecution and all that
What would you say if I tell you I've noticed that since I wrote a slightly incendiary post about homosexuality at my blog six days ago, actually pushing it some because I was wondering if it would attract censorship, my daily viewing stats have dramatically dropped since then? For years they've usually fluctuated between about 140 to 180 a day, rising above 200 with the more popular topics, the highest ever being over 700, but over the last three days they dropped to 68 on the 3rd, 40 yesterday and 10 today. Unprecedented. I've written a few posts on different topics since the questionable one. Seems to me cutting off viewers is a form of censorship though not a method I would have anticipated.
Who do you think is censoring you? The idiocy you display in this reasoning is amazing. Do you think maybe you have just hit the point of where people are tired of reading your hate?
Must be the Jesuits.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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