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Topic: Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17996 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 841 of 1309 (741389)
11-12-2014 2:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 840 by Faith
11-12-2014 1:53 AM
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Re: not persecuted for living their lives their way
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What is being forced on us is the requirement that we accept gay marriage as legitimate.
As a legal status. A purely secular matter. That is hardly a huge imposition on you. So it does indeed seem that your problem is that you have one less excuse for discriminating against homosexuals - because that is what you are complaining about.
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This is the basis for the horrible mistreatment of the Christians who would not lend their business services to endorsing gay marriage, which ought to be a protected freedom, but no longer.
No, the basis for THAT - or rather the reality that you're exaggerating - is the anti-discrimination laws. And the fact that you don't think that the segregationists should be allowed the same freedom rather undermines your claims that you are being treated unjustly. As does your cries of "Nazi!" when I tried to reasonably discuss the matter.
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There is every reason to expect that merely saying one opposes gay marriage could bring down vicious retaliation under these circumstances.
Given the amount of public opposition, and the vicious nature of some of it that seems to be somewhat far from the truth. If you were right there should have been a whole lot of "vicious retaliation" already. So there is every reason to think that you are just engaging in the "lowest form of propaganda".
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 840 by Faith, posted 11-12-2014 1:53 AM | | Faith has replied |
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1744 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 842 of 1309 (741391)
11-12-2014 2:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 841 by PaulK
11-12-2014 2:05 AM
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Re: not persecuted for living their lives their way
You've already been informed about the mistreatment of the bakers in Oregon. There have been five victims of this evil legislation so far. Here's a description of the situation of the florist who refused to make arrangements for a gay wedding, from an email sent out by the Family Research Council:
Florist Case Stems from State's Intolerance We were told that same-sex marriage was about building homes -- not destroying others’. Unfortunately, that’s just another lie from a liberal movement bent on shattering Americans’ freedom, their livelihoods, and now, their property. Like dozens of conservative businesses, the owner of Washington State’s Arlene’s Flowers is finding out exactly how low the Left is willing to sink to demand conformity on marriage. Barronelle Stutzman, who drew the Left’s ire when she politely declined to make arrangements for a same-sex wedding, has been bogged down in a legal fight for almost two years just for exercising her First Amendment rights in the marketplace. Now, that fight may cost Barronelle more than customers. According to Alliance Defending Freedom, it could cost Stutzman her home too. In a sick twist to an already outrageous case, long-time customer Robert Ingersoll and his partner are not only suing Arlene’s Flowers -- but Barronelle personally. And they have the full weight of the Washington Attorney General’s office backing their case. In an unprecedented move, the state’s chief law enforcer, Bob Ferguson, injected himself into the dispute meant to punish Barronelle for refusing to check her faith at her business’s door. A punishment, experts say, that could leave Barronelle homeless. In the meantime, Stutzman’s attorneys at ADF are doing everything they can to stop the state from attacking Barronelle personally -- even filing a new court motion. Under Washington law, AG Ferguson has no grounds to sue Stuztman unless she’s been implicated in a type of fraud -- which is even farther-fetched than the original charge. The only frauds in this case are the liberals who insist this debate is just about love and tolerance. Where’s the tolerance for the Christians who are simply asking for the same freedom to live out their beliefs as the activists trying to silence them?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17996 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 843 of 1309 (741392)
11-12-2014 2:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 842 by Faith
11-12-2014 2:17 AM
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Re: not persecuted for living their lives their way
If only they had followed the Bible they wouldn't have gotten into that mess. But of course you are changing the subject and presenting a one-sided and emotive - and inaccurate - attack. And so long as you agree that the segregationists don't have the right to deny the same services to interracial marriage you deny the existence of the very "rights" you are claiming. They do not lose their rights just because you disapprove of their "Christian" beliefs.
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jar
Member (Idle past 138 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 844 of 1309 (741411)
11-12-2014 8:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 840 by Faith
11-12-2014 1:53 AM
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Re: not persecuted for living their lives their way
More utter lies and bullshit from Faith. A fucking cake does not endorse or in anyway validate a marriage. There was no horrible treatment of any business owners.
Faith writes: There is every reason to expect that merely saying one opposes gay marriage could bring down vicious retaliation under these circumstances. Do you mean folk pointing out that such positions are examples of bigotry and denial of basic rights?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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frako
Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: 09-04-2010
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Message 845 of 1309 (741571)
11-13-2014 10:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 842 by Faith
11-12-2014 2:17 AM
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Re: not persecuted for living their lives their way
Well she does have the chance to apologise wov to never do it again and donate 5000$ to the local LGBT. And there will be no lawsuit for violating the Washington State Civil Rights Act.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1744 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 846 of 1309 (741609)
11-13-2014 12:51 PM
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I already pointed you to information about how the "tolerant" and "loving" gay rights people have screamed obscene epithets through the bakery door at the Christian couple who politely refused to make a cake for a gay wedding, and broke into their delivery truck and destroyed all their goods; and how a Christian counselor and his wife have been receiving death threats and disgusting stuff thrown on their property. And here's another story of similar "tolerance" by the LGBT crowd, issuing nice tolerant death threats. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 847 of 1309 (741622)
11-13-2014 1:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 846 by Faith
11-13-2014 12:51 PM
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Oh boo-hoo. Waah, I can't open a public bakery and discriminate against people. Waah, I'm being so punished.  Jon Jones and David Koresh, now there were some people who were punished for standing up for their Biblical beliefs. And you're wining because people won't let you discriminate. Tsk tsk.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1744 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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So ends civilization
Well there it is, good for evil and evil for good, you are a child of your time and leftist indoctrination. Once it's become OK for people to object to a person's freedom of speech, which was guaranteed by the First Amendment for centuries, by threatening death and destroying their property, I'm afraid we've crossed over some kind of line into something worse than paganism, sheer barbarism. Unbelievable the enormities EvC people are willing to support here, calling them good.
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Dr Adequate
Member Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 849 of 1309 (741630)
11-13-2014 1:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 848 by Faith
11-13-2014 1:29 PM
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Re: So ends civilization
Well, bye-bye civilization. I guess we'll just have to struggle by with the "sheer barbarism" that goes on sending Faith her welfare checks, which as she has explained to us is theft.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1744 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: So ends civilization
How the mighty do fall into evilspeak ad hominems when their happy little utopia has been shown to be the cesspool it really is. Such nobility of mind. Perfect example of the kind of moral rottenness that is taking over this country. I refuse to discuss my personal situation with you but be advised I'd rather not have to have any help from government. But it isn't Welfare.
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Dr Adequate
Member Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 851 of 1309 (741636)
11-13-2014 2:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 850 by Faith
11-13-2014 1:47 PM
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Re: So ends civilization
How the mighty do fall into evilspeak ad hominems something worse than paganism, sheer barbarism cesspool moral rottenness
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17996 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 5.6
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Message 852 of 1309 (741638)
11-13-2014 2:28 PM
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A Christian view
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 853 of 1309 (741642)
11-13-2014 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 848 by Faith
11-13-2014 1:29 PM
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Re: So ends civilization
You still can't hold a stick to Jon Jones or David Koresh.
I'm afraid we've crossed over some kind of line into something worse than paganism, sheer barbarism. Even a barbarian would just bake them the damned cake. What you want is unacceptable. Just stay out of the way. Or die already.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 854 of 1309 (741644)
11-13-2014 3:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 852 by PaulK
11-13-2014 2:28 PM
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God hates figs
God hates figs.
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Mark 11 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, May no one ever eat fruit from you again. And his disciples heard him say it.
The whole God hates fags things was just a typo. Its figs that god hates, not fags.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1744 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 855 of 1309 (741645)
11-13-2014 3:05 PM
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The sheer evil rampant on this thread is apparently not even noticed by many here. Such tolerance, such loving concern for your fellow man. And I'm including that evil article comparing the OT law against shrimp, which WAS part of the ceremonial law that applied only to Israle, with God's moral law which rules the entire universe and condemns homosexuality. But we aren't even objecting to people living as they please. THEY are objecting to Christians obeying our conscience. Absolutely unheard of in a free society until now. Total collapse of civilization in microcosm at EvC.
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