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Message 1 of 35 (723268)
03-28-2014 12:40 PM


xenophobic
So, IS Paul Ryan a Racist? | BillMoyers.com
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Our political class is feuding about whether Rep. Paul Ryan is a racist. Rather than fearing that this donnybrook degrades political discourse, we should welcome it.
Ryan sparked the controversy when he blamed poverty on a tailspin of culture in our inner cities, while invoking for support Charles Murray, notorious for postulating the genetic inferiority of blacks. Within hours, Rep. Barbara Lee rebuked Ryan for launching a thinly veiled racial attack.
Other critics immediately piled on, with a Politico piece appearing under the title Is Paul Ryan Racist? and Paul Krugman in The New York Times calling out Ryan for racial dog whistling. But hitting back, National Review editor Richard Lowry slammed Ryan’s critics for trying to drape him with the Klan’s white hood and The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page fumed, Republicans are accused of racism if they ignore the least fortunate, and now they’re racist for taking poverty and its causes seriously.
To begin with, insulting people is not taking poverty or the causes of poverty seriously: providing jobs and a living wage, providing health benefits and good public school education ... that is taking poverty and the causes seriously.
Racists don't think they are biased in my experience (both down south and in rural Michigan), they think they are right\eous. And it is pretty unconcious when they don't confront it or people don't push back.
But there is more to it than just race -- it is not understanding other people and particularly not understanding why they are not like you, and it is not respecting people that are different.
I call xenophobia, rather than race, xenophobia against poor of any color or background, xenophobia against other sexual orientations, or against Muslims ... it's all the same bag and baggage -- and the belief that people could change to be like you and should WANT to change to be like you.
When you attack people for not being like you, that is xenophobia.
NO, people want to be respected for what they are, they want the justice and the equality that is the TRUE American promise:
We believe these truths to be self-evident, that all people are equal ...
... and that means rich or poor we ideally live by the same laws and regulations.
Get rid of the biases for rich in courts and companies in politics and we would also be treating some of the causes for poverty.
Convict and jail the bankers that caused the economic meltdown that put a lot of middle class people into poverty or on the street, and we would also be treating some of the causes for poverty.
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Message 5 of 35 (723281)
03-28-2014 2:33 PM
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Re: xenophobic
I call it tribalism. ...
That's where xenophobia comes from.
xenophobia (ˌzɛnəˈfəʊbɪə)
n
hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of their politics or culture
... basically their differences

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Message 6 of 35 (723286)
03-28-2014 2:40 PM
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Re: xenophobic
I don't know if he's racist or not, but he didn't really say anything that was particularly racist, ...
That's why I go with xenophobia instead, as it isn't overtly racist but it is overtly attacking the culture and behavior of the poor people ... without specific reference to black white latino etc.
... and Lee is just interpreting him into being a racist.
A lot of people were offended by his comments, so they certainly were not comments one could call inviting of cooperation or indicative of a helpful attitude.
But then I doubt that Ryan is looking for cooperation (vis a vis his willingness to cooperate with democrats).

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Message 9 of 35 (723338)
03-29-2014 6:35 PM
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Re: xenophobic
I don't see pointing out a perceived problem as being an attack. ...
And yet what he says in essence is that poor people are lazy, just dressed up in new clothes as "a culture of men not looking for work" ... that imho is not pointing out a problem but saying that the poor people are the ones responsible for being poor (they are too lazy to find work). That is an insult, no matter how pretty the words appear to be.
... I'd like to hear the quote in context. ...
Google it then, I'm sure it will be on youtube or some news (or fox?) archive.
... The links say that he linked poverty to a culture tail spinning into not-working.
Without discussing why jobs are not available in general and jobs that pay enough to get out of poverty are not available -- what I would think would be actual causes of poverty -- and instead blames the people for not going out to find (non-existent) jobs.
Well, you can lead a horse to water...
So do you think someone who says in essence that the poor people are lazy and not looking for work, and that this is why they are poor ... do you think someone with this basic attitude is someone to be able to have an honest discussion of how to solve poverty in the US?
It appears I am not alone in thinking that Paul Ryan would not be a suitable spokesperson ...
Ryan Unsuited to Lead ‘Adult Conversation’ About Poverty
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These days, a favorite talking point of Republican Congressman Paul Ryan’s is calling for an adult conversation about poverty.
It’s time for an adult conversation, he told The Washington Post.
If we actually have an adult conversation, he said in remarks at the Brookings Institution, I think we can make a difference.
The problem is that a prerequisite for any adult conversation is telling the truth and it is there the congressman falls monumentally short.
In addition to Rep. Ryan’s recent, racially-coded comments about our inner cities where generations of men [are] not even thinking about working, his rhetoric around policy should raise red flags for anyone including the media assessing his credibility.
A report from Emily Oshima Lee, policy analyst at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, examines the hatchet job Rep. Ryan did on Medicaid in his 204-page account of antipoverty programs that The Washington Post generously described as a critique. Indeed, Ryan’s report which would have been flagged by my excellent 10th grade English teacher for misrepresenting and cherry-picking data is a dangerous disservice to a public which has neither the time nor the staff that Ryan has at his disposal to delve into literature assessing antipoverty programs.
There is more in the article about how Ryan misrepresents facts and makes inappropriate comparisons.
He uses carefully chosen words to say the same old republican message: blacks are poor because they are lazy. Instead of saying "black" he uses "inner city poor" as if nobody would read\hear that and think that non-blacks were being discussed. He also ignores that a major part of poor people in the US are now rural white populations ... predominantly in red states ...

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