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Author Topic:   Is Paul Ryan Racist?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 3 of 35 (723277)
03-28-2014 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
03-28-2014 12:40 PM


Re: xenophobic
Here's where I found a longer version of his quote:
quote:
Paul Ryan triggered a firestorm of recrimination this week. Speaking recently on Bill Bennett’s Morning in America radio program, the Wisconsin Republican and self-styled budget wonk linked poverty to this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work.
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these comments elicited a quick and forceful rebuke from Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA), who decried them as a thinly veiled racial attack. She explained: [W]hen Mr. Ryan says ‘inner city,’ when he says, ‘culture,’ these are simply code words for what he really means: ‘black.’
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Ryan has since backpedaled, protesting that race was nowhere in his thoughts: This has nothing to do whatsoever with race. It never even occurred to me. This has nothing to do with race whatsoever.
I don't know if he's racist or not, but he didn't really say anything that was particularly racist, and Lee is just interpreting him into being a racist.

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Message 7 of 35 (723297)
03-28-2014 3:58 PM
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03-28-2014 2:40 PM


Re: xenophobic
That's why I go with xenophobia instead, as it isn't overtly racist but it is overtly attacking the culture and behavior of the poor people
I don't see pointing out a perceived problem as being an attack. I'd like to hear the quote in context. The links say that he linked poverty to a culture tail spinning into not-working.
From what I see around me, that doesn't really seem inaccurate.
A lot of people were offended by his comments, so they certainly were not comments one could call inviting of cooperation or indicative of a helpful attitude.
Well, you can lead a horse to water...

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 11 of 35 (723364)
03-31-2014 10:37 AM
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03-29-2014 6:35 PM


Re: xenophobic
So do you think someone who says in essence that the poor people are lazy and not looking for work, and that this is why they are poor ... do you think someone with this basic attitude is someone to be able to have an honest discussion of how to solve poverty in the US?
Its possible, but I'd bet that the alchemists had the same attitude towards their naysayers as well.
I think an honest discussion should include considering new problems that you haven't addressed yet, even if you don't like the sound of them. It should also include considering that everything you've been doing so far isn't working.
Bashing your naysayers as "not helping" is also not helping.
Did you catch wind of another quote that Bill Maher threw out there?
quote:
When it comes to getting an education, too many of our young people just can’t be bothered. They’re sitting on couches for hours playing video games, watching TV instead of dreaming of being a teacher or a lawyer or a business leader they’re fantasizing about being a baller or a rapper.
Now, we all know who they're talking about with "ballers" and "rappers". So, as your argument goes, do you think someone who says that young black people are uneducated because they aren't trying is someone who can have an honest discussion of how to solve the education problem in the US?
Because that one came from Michelle Obama.
Or is it only a problem when a white guy says it?

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Message 16 of 35 (723404)
04-01-2014 9:56 AM
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03-31-2014 4:53 PM


Re: xenophobic
Conservatives have completely rigged the system so that it is much more difficult to crawl out of poverty than ever before.
Do you have any particular legislation in mind?

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Message 18 of 35 (723417)
04-01-2014 11:40 AM
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04-01-2014 11:34 AM


Re: xenophobic
Oh, I meant an example of that conservative legislation that is rigging the system.

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Message 20 of 35 (723422)
04-01-2014 12:13 PM
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04-01-2014 11:59 AM


Re: xenophobic
reduction of spending on education resulting in sky rocketing tuition costs
Yes, you've said that conservatives have caused tuition to spike by lowering the contribution from the state. What legislation did this?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 24 of 35 (723437)
04-01-2014 2:24 PM
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04-01-2014 1:07 PM


Re: xenophobic
The current budget is a good example. Sequestration for spending on education, and yet they found room to spend billions on subsidies for Exxon and corporate farms.
Sigh, I really wanted to read some specific legislation.
The left says its all the right's fault, and the right says its all the left's fault, and nobody ever shows me any actual legislation.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 29 of 35 (723445)
04-01-2014 3:15 PM
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04-01-2014 3:01 PM


Re: xenophobic
I don't care about unions. You were talking about the cost of education and how the conservatives rigged the system so that education would cost too much for poor people. I was looking to find the legislation that did that.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 30 of 35 (723446)
04-01-2014 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by NoNukes
04-01-2014 2:46 PM


Re: xenophobic
I haven't gotten to your post yet. And I need to get back to work now. But I'll get to it eventually.

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