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NoNukes
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Message 6 of 96 (724362)
04-16-2014 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Diomedes
04-16-2014 12:15 PM


For the record, he is either a very skilled scam artist or a complete and utter loon. Or perhaps a bit of both.
Either way, the Hagee phenomenon is pretty funny. This dude is wrong time after time, but it scarcely matters to his followers.
Apparently, the current lack of spectacular comets means that these liars have to latch onto other ordinary, and totally predictable phenomenon in order to predict gloom and doom.
Wasn't this stuff covered adequately in episode 3 or 4 of 'Cosmos'. Sheesh.

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Message 9 of 96 (769867)
09-25-2015 10:11 PM


Lunar eclipse Sunday night
Yeah, I know this thread is a year and a half old, but there is another one of those supermoon, blood moon eclipse things happening this Sunday evening. About half of the earth will be a good place to view the eclipse, including US, Canada, and Central and South America.

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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
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Message 37 of 96 (769996)
09-27-2015 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by dwise1
09-27-2015 3:45 PM


Today's full moon will indeed be closer, the closest that it ever comes to the earth, since it is supposed to be at perigee.
While this is true, I doubt that the difference in size is anything anyone would find remarkable. The entire range of variation in size from perigee to apogee is about 5.5%. Compared to the optical illusion that makes the moon appear to be larger when it is lower relative to the horizon, the actual variability in the moon size is barely perceptible.
I try not to miss eclipses, but it looks like it is going to be too cloudy to see the eclipse in my area this time. Hope the rest of you have better luck.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Message 41 of 96 (770000)
09-27-2015 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Tanypteryx
09-27-2015 1:53 PM


It seems like splitting hairs a bit, to me.
What I've read suggests that there is no way to be really certain about whether there was totality. The edge of the earth's umbra (the dark inner shadow) is slightly fuzzy due to the atmosphere and is not perfectly round because earth is not perfectly spherical. Nobody is completely sure that the eclipse was not total, but the best guess appears to be that about 99.9 percent of the moon was within the earth's umbra, which means not total.
Some observers reported that they never saw a complete darkening/reddening of the upper edge of the moon, but supposedly those observations may not be reliable.
Nitpicky? Perhaps, but there is nothing wrong with that. Just enjoy the eclipses as they occur. The April 4 eclipse was just as much a sight as any other lunar eclipse. Tiny deviations from totality do matter for solar eclipses, but not so much for lunar ones.
Edited by NoNukes, : Change moon's umbra to earth's umbra in one place.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 45 of 96 (770004)
09-27-2015 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Tanypteryx
09-27-2015 5:35 PM


One other observation was that it looked like a 360-degree sunset around us because we were high enough to see the sun shining outside the shadow.
Wow! That does sound spectacular!
I've never witnessed a total solar eclipse. I told my wife that yesterday and that I would like to make plans to do whatever traveling is necessary to see one.
I have seen an annular solar eclipse.

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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 48 of 96 (770008)
09-27-2015 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by xongsmith
09-27-2015 5:45 PM


Because the moon will be just tad later than perigee, the shadow of the earth should drown it out in entirety, %100, here in the east coast side of the USA.
To be clear, the issue of totality is with proximity of the moon to the nodes of the lunar orbit, where the nodes are the points of intersection of the lunar orbit with the plane of the earth's orbit. The diameter of the earth's shadow (the umbra or inner shadow) is about three times the diameter of the moon regardless of whether the moon is at perigee or at apogee.
On April 4, 2015, the moon crossed the earth's shadow in such a way that the moon was nearly tangential to the upper left edge of the earth's shadow at the point where the moon was most fully within the shadow (as viewed in the northern hemisphere). The result was a very short eclipse that may or may not have been total.
See image below:
Today's eclipse occurs with the moon a bit closer to the nodes, which produces a more nearly ideal crossing, and a substantially longer period of totality. No question about totality at all. See image below:
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 54 of 96 (770018)
09-28-2015 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
09-28-2015 5:49 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
1) Doesn't the harvest moon occur at the perigee as dwise was saying about this one, so it should be closer and that would be one reason it appears larger?
No, that cannot be the case for every harvest moon. The lunar cycle is out of phase with the yearly calendar, but the harvest moon must be a full moon in a given month. Further lunar procession causes the perigee and apogee points to rotate on an 8.85 year cycle. As a result the moon's apogee occurs at different points of the year each year. The line of the nodes rotates on a cycle that completes after 18.60 years so that the positions of the nodes is different as well. The moon's orbit around the earth is very complicated.
And those supermoons are less than 3% larger than the average moon size. You would not notice that the supermoon was any larger than the typical size without some measuring aid.
3) Also although it was pointed out that the solar and lunar eclipses occur two weeks apart, lunar eclipses are much more common and don't all that often occur with the solar eclipse. That makes the combination of total solar and total lunar eclipse a lot more rare than the comment implied.
Your premise is incorrect. According to wikipedia, there were 228 solar eclipses in the 20th century and 230 lunar eclipses. So the frequencies of occurrence for solar eclipses and lunar eclipses are nearly the same. What is different is the visibility. Each solar eclipse is visible from a relatively small percentage of the earth, while each lunar eclipse is visible over about half of the earth.
That said, I believe it is possible for one or more of the eclipses in a pair to be missed. Mostly, that does not happen.
2) Although the Jewish holidays follow the phases of the moon and occur in the months when blood moons always occur, lunar eclipses don't always occur in those months, or are often partial and not the total eclipse of a blood moon. It's the blood moon that figures in the scripture.
I'm guessing that somebody's point was that there are quite a few moon based Jewish holidays and that some eclipse was bound to hit one most years.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 57 of 96 (770024)
09-28-2015 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
09-28-2015 9:44 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
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In this current tetrad of blood moons, which may or may not have been a complete tetrad, there was one solar eclipse, on March 20 of this year preceding the Passover blood moon. If they occur with blood moons, for some reason only one in four occurred this time.
Not correct. All four of the lunar eclipses was either preceded or followed by a solar eclipse, the separation being 14 or 15 days in each case.
Lunar eclipse_______ Solar Eclipse
April 15, 2014_______ April 29, 2014
October 8, 2014_____ October 23, 2014
April 4, 2015________ March 20, 2015
September 28, 2015__ September 13, 2015
If you were looking only at those cases when the solar eclipse came first, you somehow missed the September 13, 2015 eclipse. I am not sure what error you are making or from where you are getting your information.
Yes, but only the blood moon is significant prophetically, and in conjunction with a total solar eclipse.
The question remains as to whether such a thing is all that rare. Another questions might be whether it matters where the eclipses are visible. Or even whether the prophecy even refers to eclipses.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 61 of 96 (770029)
09-28-2015 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Jon
09-28-2015 11:12 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
Death and disease are purely spiritless and mechanical processes.
We could scarcely avoid finding meaning in death or disease given their impact on us personally. I wonder how that supports an argument that assigning meaning to astronomical phenomena like comets and eclipses is at all helpful.
Assigning meaning to our world is as necessary for doing good as it is for doing bad - probably even moreso.
How about an example of how this might work for an astronomical event such as an eclipse or the moon appearing in the seventh house?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 62 of 96 (770030)
09-28-2015 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Faith
09-28-2015 11:50 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
Faith writes:
you can't be talking about TOTAL
Because you did not limit your remarks to total eclipses.
Faith writes:
In this current tetrad of blood moons, which may or may not have been a complete tetrad, there was one solar eclipse, on March 20 of this year preceding the Passover blood moon. If they occur with blood moons, for some reason only one in four occurred this time.
A tetrad of blood moons occurs about once in 250 years, eight of them since the time of Christ. Single blood moons are more common.
Totally wrong. There were eight tetrads in the twentieth century alone.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 66 of 96 (770036)
09-28-2015 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Jon
09-28-2015 1:39 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
So it's only okay for people to find meaning in the spiritless and mechanical processes you approve of.
People can do what they want. But apparently your mouth has once again written a check that your butt cannot cash. You cannot show that people being concerned about death or disease, things which affects them severely means that they also ought to believe in astronomical omens that have no effect on them whatsoever.
If you have a real argument or even a persuasive reason to attach fake significance to any natural event, perhaps you'll present one or the othr at some point.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Message 67 of 96 (770038)
09-28-2015 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by MrHambre
09-28-2015 6:07 AM


Re: The Usual Suspects
I talked my wife into going outside to view the eclipse. The sky was quite cloudy and we caught just a few glimpses of the moon through a few areas of thinning cloud cover as totality approached. I have no idea whether I even caught a glimpse of totality. I certainly could not see any hint of anything red.
I called my daughter in the Chicago area, and she reported seeing just about the same thing I did. I went back inside to finish my work, and did not look up again until the eclipse was well over. I never went back outside.
Overall, a pretty disappointing night. I would suggest that if anyone intends on seeing the total eclipse during the summer of 2017 that you probably should not invite me to join you. Apparently I bring bad viewing eclipse weather.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 68 of 96 (770040)
09-28-2015 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by jar
09-28-2015 12:44 PM


Re: the asbsurdity of listening to prophetic ministries
All prophetic ministries have been shown to be wrong 100% of the time for at least the last 2015 years.
If we are going that route, the Great Tribulation is supposed to come before the darkening of the sun. Also the stars are supposed to darken, something that never happens during an eclipse anyway.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 76 of 96 (770058)
09-28-2015 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Tanypteryx
09-28-2015 9:27 PM


Re: The results
I was disappointed that one of my setups did not work well. I had never mounted that lens on a digital camera before so I need to practice with it and experiment a bit. It should capture sharper images plus fill the frame.
Grrrr!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 84 of 96 (770126)
09-29-2015 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Jon
09-28-2015 4:14 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
Once again you are inventing an argument and calling it mine to avoid dealing with the argument I am actually making.
You are not making an argument. You claim that it is somehow useful to attach meaning to eclipses and perhaps to other astronomical phenomena. I've invited you to support that claim with an example or argument, and you've yet to provide anything remotely looking like an argument. Instead you've attempted to make the fact that I don't accept your assertion about me somehow.
Perhaps you've given me your answer. You don't have diddly squat. Your response is that people who are questioning you or who cite evidence that attaching false meanings is harmful ought to just bug off.
Typical Jon style argument. Jon speaks, asserts, and brooks no disagreement.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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