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Author Topic:   Depositional Models of Sea Transgressions/Regressions - Walther's Law
NoNukes
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Message 76 of 533 (725949)
05-04-2014 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Percy
05-03-2014 7:53 AM


Re: So just HOW does this model apply to the GC?
Hey, everybody, let's have a contest to guess what obstacle will next prevent Faith from using the angle-of-repose kit. I'm going to guess smudged eyeglasses.

While the complaint about not having a protractor is pretty silly, Faith has already said she does not have space to set up the kit. She made the reasons for that sound personal, so I'm not inclined to question her any further on that.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 79 of 533 (725986)
05-05-2014 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Percy
05-03-2014 7:53 AM


Re: So just HOW does this model apply to the GC?
Why do you feel the need to claim such incredible things happened naturally?

As I can recall, a few posters used to express this sentiment in their signatures. It is indeed a strange mindset. All of the power of almighty to draw on, and yet many Flood proponents are loathe to invoke it, instead inventing snow comets and the like.

Mindspawn, for example, refused to answer the question of whether God even caused the flood. He insisted that the flood happened naturally and that despite God having pre-announced what would happened, and the reason for it happening, spawny claimed that scripture did not answer that question.

Quite bizarre in my opinion.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 128 of 533 (726462)
05-09-2014 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Pressie
05-09-2014 9:01 AM


I've never, ever, seen anything funnier in my entire life.

Funny? What it illustrates is the utter contempt she has for others. Nothing is too stupid to post. Nothing stated as fact need be checked, and no point can ever be refuted so thoroughly that it cannot be resurrected later.

Funny.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 129 of 533 (726463)
05-09-2014 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Faith
05-09-2014 9:08 AM


Or give me a scenario for transgressing or regressing sea water covering a whole continent within five months, what it would deposit etc.

Isn't that your job? Nobody really cares what you call the wave. It is your physics that has people disgusted.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 134 of 533 (726468)
05-09-2014 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Faith
05-09-2014 9:15 AM


Surely someone who appreciates *Science* can be neutral enough to be willing to think about an opposing idea.

We have thought about what you claim and it does not work. Real layers exist because they form and harden and thus are relatively undisturbed during the process that forms a layer on top of them.

You are trying to form layers without allowing any formation time between them. That is the problem with trying to form huge numbers of layers in a few months. Is that clear enough for you?

ABE:
And then we have to get the right fossils in the layers and explain a bunch of biology I do not understand well.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 135 of 533 (726469)
05-09-2014 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Faith
05-09-2014 9:12 AM


I'm trying to explain how rising (or falling) sea water could have deposited layers across most of a continent in a period of about five months, and these are pretty good guesses for that scenario.

Actually, while I have given an answer to this question, I have failed to acknowledge the difference between your asking a question and simply making up crap and flinging it at us and then ignoring all rebuttals.

This is infinitely preferable. But sorry, I don't have an answer for you. If I were in this position, I'd invoke the same kind of power that parted the Red Sea or that created the universe in one week.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 141 of 533 (726486)
05-09-2014 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Faith
05-09-2014 10:23 AM


NN says everybody has thought about my arguments and they don't work. hat's what everybody always says and then you show you don't have a clue as NN did on the thread about genetic diversity, not a clue. Or RAZD either. At least stop thinking you get it when you don't.

Hilarious.

Right now, even you cannot make your goofy ideas work and have decided to ask me and others to do it.

Nobody can make the logic defying things you say actually work.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 157 of 533 (726579)
05-10-2014 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Faith
05-10-2014 2:10 AM


Re: Bump for Faith
Why are you arguing with losers?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 163 of 533 (726594)
05-10-2014 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by JonF
05-10-2014 8:21 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Faith has explicitly stated that she is infallible on thematters on which she has declared herself infallible.

I don't know how to find where she says that, but I think it funny that the one place on the EvC Forums that she has not found to tell me that I don't understand her position on evolution is in a response to my post asking her to explain her position in more detail.

Of course, such a request understandably frustrates her. Faith does not have any details despite her claims to have spent a decade thinking about why evolution does not work, and she has no idea how to defend her position other than to make assertions that can be disproved without effort. Percy calls that kind of thinking "Indomitable will". I'm being a gentleman today so 'm calling it that too.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 165 of 533 (726596)
05-10-2014 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by JonF
05-10-2014 8:51 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Message 1255

Hmm. I was anticipating something of greater scope. Something like her declaration that because she had spent a long time thinking about why evolution was impossible she was not going to even consider alternatives until we had thought for a long time on her ideas.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 167 of 533 (726606)
05-10-2014 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Percy
05-10-2014 9:30 AM


Re: complexity of geology
I wonder how she reconciles knowing her prior views were right now that she has to change them.

She does not have to reconcile anything. You (and I) just don't understand how she has been right all along.

Ultimately being right means that the Flood created the Grand Canyon and all of its details in some period lasting between 10 seconds and ten months after it started raining for 40 days and nights and the fountains of the deep opened. Missteps about exactly how that can be explained are just teats on a bull.

And instead of thinking of yourself as a peer arguing with another peer on an internet forum, imagine yourself as a middle school student in Faith's Sunday school class who is rejecting this Sunday's lesson about a T-Rex and a triceratops being buddies in the Garden of Eden.

I think that about captures the mindset I'm seeing from Faith.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 181 of 533 (726740)
05-11-2014 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by edge
05-11-2014 11:43 AM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
After spending years in forums such as this, I'm inclined to agree. It allows ignorance to become a fortress.

If we are honest, we will admit that religion is not unique in this regard. If you hang out for a while in the forums where religious belief is not the topic, you will see examples of other strongly held belief systems interfering with logical thought. And if you are very careful and objective, you will recognize those forces at work within yourself.

Everybody is a Creationist about some topic. Quite frankly, I'm not even sure religion is the most egregious belief in this respect. I think it is just the most notorious.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 187 of 533 (726757)
05-12-2014 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Faith
05-12-2014 6:27 AM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
Faith writes:

Golly gee, imagine that. Unfortunately for you what I'm describing would not be aided by either perspective, it's right there for you to see if you could get those blinders off for half a minute.

Typical, and fraudulent Faith blather. "I'm right, and you'd see it if you just think."

You must be about the worst lecturer in the history of science. Or perhaps there is another explanation.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 197 of 533 (726778)
05-12-2014 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
05-12-2014 10:15 AM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
I don't believe you either. So what?

How about the demonstration of hypocrisy from you? On one hand you denigrate biology and geological science as mere 'mental activity', and then you think that just pondering on your made up nonsense ought to be convincing?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 204 of 533 (726788)
05-12-2014 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Faith
05-12-2014 12:25 PM


First off, that quote didn't come off as I wanted it to. It was meant to be more like "That's OK, I don't believe in you either."

Assuming that is your only error (and it is not), why do you then blame me for it.

Yes you do sometimes point to features as part of weaving your story, but when contradictory evidence is pointed out, what we expect is to see you address it rather than to tell us to think harder.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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