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Message 657 of 928 (757084)
05-02-2015 8:57 PM
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05-02-2015 11:12 AM


Re: The manufacture of bigotry
However, you might take note that the "law" that is persecuting Christian businesses is a very new invention in "your" marketplaces.
It's an invention in the minds of those Christians.
They were just minding their own business, selling whatever to everybody who asked, until along came this gay marriage "law" very very recently, which has become a weapon against Christianity in the hands of the LGBT community.
If they continued selling to everybody who asked, there would be no problem. This "weapon against Christianity" is a weapon only in the minds of right wingers who claim to be Christian but who go against the teachings of Jesus.

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Message 671 of 928 (757112)
05-03-2015 1:12 PM
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05-03-2015 10:16 AM


Re: The manufacture of bigotry
There was no law enforcing gay marriage until quite recently when state courts began denying the gay marriage ban initiatives, giving a basis for the challenges to Christian businesses.
There is still no law "enforcing gay marriage". Heterosexual couples can still get married as before. And many are doing it.

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Message 672 of 928 (757113)
05-03-2015 1:16 PM
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05-03-2015 11:22 AM


Re: The manufacture of bigotry
We are asked to endorse as a normal sexual expression something God calls sin, sin worthy of death come to that, compounded by a violation of His creation ordinance defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
No. They are being asked to bake a cake or to arrange some flowers. They are not being asked to endorse anything.

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Message 703 of 928 (758103)
05-19-2015 1:49 PM
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05-19-2015 10:22 AM


Re: Can bake, won't bake, UK
Does that change the equation for anyone?
No for me.
If the baker believes there is a problem, he/she can report it to the police. But bake the cake anyway.

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Message 792 of 928 (758443)
05-25-2015 11:06 PM
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05-25-2015 7:42 PM


Re: really silly issues
I guess you won't notice an escalation of Bible inerrantists being criminalized for refusing to cater to gay weddings or preaching what the Bible says about marriage and about homosexuality because in your mind it can't exist.
If that happens, it will be entirely due to arrogant inerrantists having public trantrums.

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Message 807 of 928 (758530)
05-28-2015 1:49 AM
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05-28-2015 1:19 AM


Re: No second thoughts?
The fact remains that Christians have done nothing different over the last decade or so but these new definitions have been invented and they do specifically target Christians, redefining the same beliefs we've always had so that they are now criminal, and this is how persecution of Christians has been escalating, which was my point.
No beliefs have been made criminal.

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Message 818 of 928 (758547)
05-28-2015 9:44 AM
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05-28-2015 2:01 AM


Re: No second thoughts?
OK, how about "Preaching or acting upon our ancient traditional beliefs is now being defined as criminal, by redefining it as "hate speech" and a "violation of civil rights."
No, it isn't. As far as I know, there is no law against hate speech.
What I say to libertarians, is this: if you don't want government having any sayso in what you do, then go live in the jungle and fight it out with the lions. However, if you prefer to have the benefits of living in a society, then you also have to accepts the obligations of that social living.
The baker is perfectly free to close his business. Then he won't have to serve anyone he doesn't want to serve. But if the baker wants to benefit from what society offers by opening a business, then he has to do that under the rules of the society. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's ..."

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Message 889 of 928 (758693)
05-30-2015 11:51 PM
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05-30-2015 11:12 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
Does it make any sense that the original extremely Christian colonies with their Christian laws could possibly have intentionally designed a secular Constitution that would eventually allow the anti-Christian attitudes expressed now at EvC?
There aren't anti-Christian attituded being expressed here.
Ignoring that -- yes it makes sense. The original colonies did not all agree on theology. Having a secular constitution would allow them to set those disagreements aside "in order to form a more perfect union."

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