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Topic: Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?
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Coyote
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Message 500 of 928 (755507)
04-08-2015 10:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
04-08-2015 5:00 PM
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On sin...
But it IS the Christian's business not to participate personally in the sin... Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. ― Robert A. Heinlein Under this definition, butting one's nose into other peoples' business, when it is none of your business, would be a sin. To put it another way, you are not responsible for the actions of other people. But you are responsible for your own actions, and when you do things that hurt other people unnecessarily you are the one who is sinning. Let any real or imagined deities take care of their own affairs. If they are as powerful, all-knowing, etc. etc. as they are described to be they surely don't need your help.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 630 of 928 (756966)
04-30-2015 11:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 629 by AZPaul3
04-30-2015 11:04 PM
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Re: bigots
The sooner we run the bigots out the better off our markets will be. Does this apply to all bigots?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 632 of 928 (756968)
04-30-2015 11:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 631 by AZPaul3
04-30-2015 11:18 PM
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Re: bigots
Is there a reason we should allow open bigotry in our public marketplace? You agree then that all bigots should be discouraged?
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 640 of 928 (756986)
05-01-2015 10:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 634 by AZPaul3
05-01-2015 6:40 AM
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Re: bigots
Coyote writes: You agree then that all bigots should be discouraged? Is there any reason to allow open bigotry in the marketplace? If you have one I'm willing to listen.
Is there some good reason why you are unwilling to answer my question?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 643 of 928 (756996)
05-01-2015 2:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 642 by NoNukes
05-01-2015 1:09 PM
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Re: bigots
My question relates to bigots, and the inconsistent designation thereof. If you are going to oppose bigots, it would be consistent to oppose all of them, not just some. Can you folks agree with that?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
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Re: bigots
I oppose all the bigots I don't like. How about you? But you don't oppose the bigots you like? Some folks would call that hypocritical, eh?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Message 688 of 928 (757150)
05-03-2015 11:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 687 by AZPaul3
05-03-2015 11:36 PM
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More bigots
In the effort to eliminate bigots, perhaps we can also close the Muslim businesses that won't cater to Jews, or won't bake cakes for gay weddings? And perhaps we should have those Muslim airport taxi cab drivers fired who declined, for religious reasons, to pick up passengers carrying alcohol or those accompanied by dogs?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Message 773 of 928 (758387)
05-24-2015 6:31 PM
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Save us, dear Lord, from those who would save us. Arthur Hoppe, On the Death of Robert Kennedy
San Francisco Chronicle, 1968
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 791 of 928 (758442)
05-25-2015 9:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 790 by jar
05-25-2015 8:04 PM
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Re: really silly issues
It seems that God thinks courtesy, faithfulness to fellow humans and good manners are more important than refusing service to others even when that service is contrary to God's word.
As in "do unto others?" What a novel idea! (We could use a whole lot more down-to-earth kindness all around.)
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
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Message 842 of 928 (758582)
05-28-2015 3:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 832 by Faith
05-28-2015 1:08 PM
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Sin?
You can't warn about sin while participating in it. I think Heinlein said it best: Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense. Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 861 of 928 (758641)
05-29-2015 10:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 856 by DrJones*
05-29-2015 9:46 PM
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Blasphemy
requiring atheists to live under Christian laws, which don't deprive them of life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, just require them not to blaspheme God essentially or teach against God; If I'm not free to blaspheme then I'm not free. Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated of nothing, "blasphemy" is the most amazing - with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure" fighting it out for the second and third place. Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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