EVANSTON, Ill. --- Researchers from Northwestern University and the University of New Mexico report evidence for potentially oceans worth of water deep beneath the United States. Though not in the familiar liquid form -- the ingredients for water are bound up in rock deep in the Earth’s mantle -- the discovery may represent the planet’s largest water reservoir.
The presence of liquid water on the surface is what makes our “blue planet” habitable, and scientists have long been trying to figure out just how much water may be cycling between Earth’s surface and interior reservoirs through plate tectonics.
I'm starting to see the argument that this new discovery is "proof" of the biblical flood, creeping into other forums.
quote:Or science could continue to prove creationism like finding under earth oceans. One of the arguments against the great flood has been where did all the water come from and where did it go.
Now they have a explanation for that, although that will be ignored or debunked by their logical thinking. If you look for god you will see his hand in every aspect of creation, if you choose to believe that everything is a random chance, well I guess that's easy enough too. People see what they want to see always have always will.
For me this more as evidence of how the Earth formed, it's composition and Earth's water cycle. I see no evidence that this water could have magically flooded the planet then receded proving any global flood. I do see YEC's and their like jumping all over this as "proof" of the flood. In this thread I would like to hear your agruments and see if we can't pull this weed before it takes over the garden. Or do any creationist here feel this is proof of the flood?
quote:Because of this, and much more evidence of a similar general nature, creationists have had to push the date of their purported flood back to the K-T boundary about 65 million years ago, or even more extreme, to the P-T boundary, some 262 million years ago. This ignores the fact that modern humans are only some 200 thousand years old. But hey! When you're searching around for evidence of a global flood, what are a few mangled facts here and there?
I have never seen any creo's pushing the flood back millions of years, but I don't doubt your word. I know for sure in the forums I normally haunt they now have their gods existing outside our universe in some imaginary infinite time.
There is not much in any "mangled facts" that I have come across, just more of the same circular arguments involving the bible and willful ignorance. But of course they are already starting to mangle and misinterpret this finding.
Even if it could, you'd still need evidence that it did. A pond in my back yard isn't evidence of a pond in my living room. You'd need some trace of it wandering into the house and then wandering back outside.
And still yet, you need to prove the ringwoodite stored 400 miles below the Earth’s surface (that is not liquid, ice or vapor)- split from hydroxyl radical, bound into a mineral crystal, made it to the surface in liquid form. And then went back to a mineral crystal structure through 400 miles of solid rock!
Anyhow...where are all the creationist and IDer's..what say you guys?
Hi Faith, Good to hear from you, I have read your posts throughout these forums and although I don't understand what the hell your talking about half the time, I do admire your perseverance in the face of such logic and reason.
Seems to me it would be *nice* of the evos here at least to acknowledge that the way the information has been presented it certainly does logically support the Flood claims.
No, I can't... There's nothing in the data that logically supports any flood, none that I can see. If I'm wrong could you show me?
Again the information is presented in terms of actual water, you know, the liquid stuff.
Not true, the article clearly states:
quote:This water is not in a form familiar to us -- it is not liquid, ice or vapor. This fourth form is water trapped inside the molecular structure of the minerals in the mantle rock. The weight of 250 miles of solid rock creates such high pressure, along with temperatures above 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, that a water molecule splits to form a hydroxyl radical (OH), which can be bound into a mineral’s crystal structure.
Fragments of the blue-colored mineral called ringwoodite, synthesized in the laboratory.
Is there anybody here who really understands the science involved in all this or is everybody blowing hot air?
As for myself I understand much of it, I am no expert, but I'm certainly not going to try and spin the science to make it fit some preconceived idea, if that's what you mean.
Uhm..You do know there is no evidence anywhere that supports a global flood? How do you explain away the arctic ice core samples, stretching back 10's of thousands of years, showing a pattern of ice/snow cover before and after the alleged flood? In fact there is no evidence of a global flood in any ice core samples anywhere on the planet! Even the Polar ice caps where some of these core samples are from would have been lifted and destroyed by such a flood and the samples would not even exist.
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As I see it, it's some sort of "getting the water out of the mantle and/or getting it back in" sort of thing.
I also see a better understanding of the chemistry of Ringwoodite should be allowed OT. The terminology used by the major new sources gives the impression of "oceans" when in fact all this H2o is locked up in the Ringwoodite mineral.
I'm interested in whether the water held in the ringwoodite represents "where the water went" after the Flood. And to be clear, I'm also not terribly interested in this question either, since I think creationists have had sufficient answers to this one too, I'm simply pursuing it as an interesting alternative explanation.
The answer to your question is the water did not go anywhere, the reason for this is cause it did exist on the surface, it was trapped in molecular form under immense pressure as the planet cooled.
The ringwoodite likely came from the interior of the Earth, within our planet’s mantle contained in its molecular state, rather than some other source, like comets or magic rain. It's possible water could have been released from its molecular state into a liquid state due to the saturated rocks being partially melted through the action of plate tectonics as the Earth cools. These new findings could mean this might be the evidence that Earth’s water came from these underground reserves. Not the other way round.