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Author Topic:   Do oceans of water in mantle rock prove the flood?
Tangle
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Message 45 of 108 (729746)
06-18-2014 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
06-18-2014 4:43 AM


Faith writes:

There is nothing supernatural stated or implied in the Biblical account of the physical phenomena involving the Flood. What is described is presented as physical phenomena that happen to be different from the current situation, physical and natural nevertheless. What the "fountains of the deep" means is not at all clear to me, and possibly nobody who has interpreted it gets it right, but nevertheless it is presented as natural and physical and not supernatural.

That's nonsense, god made it happen in order to rid the world of sin. If that's not a miracle it's not obvious to me what is.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 57 of 108 (729761)
06-18-2014 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
06-18-2014 6:38 AM


Faith writes:

God makes everything happen, but He normally doesn't use miraculous means.

Just to be clear, god causing the world to be flooded above the highest mountain was not a miracle?


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 75 of 108 (729784)
06-19-2014 3:35 AM
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06-18-2014 5:33 PM


Faith writes:

No. Scripture implies a natural source for the water, not a miraculous source.

At the moment, I don't care where the water came from, I'm asking you whether the fact that god flooded the world to a level higher than the highest mountain was a miracle or not.

"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 95 of 108 (729807)
06-19-2014 8:47 AM
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06-19-2014 5:24 AM


Re: From the "on/off-topic fuzzy" zone
Faith writes:

And my answer to Tangle's off-topic question is the same one I already gave for the reason I already gave: No.

It has to be one of the major miracles described in the bible, probably only second to the creation of the universe. Or was that also not a miracle? And if not who needs God - it appears that the natural world can do it all itself - are you now proposing pantheism, that nature and god are the same thing and knows what needs doing, when and how to do it?


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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