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Author Topic:   Do oceans of water in mantle rock prove the flood?
JonF
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Message 89 of 108 (729801)
06-19-2014 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
06-19-2014 5:40 AM


Flow

Of the mantle.


Due to the water content of the ringwoodite. Suggests an actual liquid wateriness.

Will you never learn that making stuff up never works for you? The mantle material flows because rock is "plastic" (in the sense of "deformable without breaking") under the high pressure and temperature in the mantle. The ringwoodite and any of its content has nothing to do with it.

solubility

Of hydroxide in ringwoodite.

Suggests an actual liquid wateriness that can occur.

No it doesn't. That's crazy even for you. From Wikipedia:

quote:
Solubility is the property of a solid, liquid, or gaseous chemical substance called solute to dissolve in a solid, liquid, or gaseous solvent to form a homogeneous solution of the solute in the solvent. ...

Solubility is not to be confused with the ability to dissolve or liquefy a substance, because the solution might occur not only because of dissolution but also because of a chemical reaction.



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Message 90 of 108 (729802)
06-19-2014 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
06-19-2014 7:25 AM


Re: From the "on/off-topic fuzzy" zone
The Biblical position is that there had been no rain at all prior to that forty days and forty nights, that the water was suspended in the "firmament" overhead and the earth was watered by a "mist."

Even most YECs gave up on that one long ago. It just can't work. No matter where you put the water up above or in the atmosphere, getting it to the ground al liquid water involves releasing so much heat that the only survivors would be a few thermophilic bacteria.


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JonF
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Message 94 of 108 (729806)
06-19-2014 8:46 AM
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06-19-2014 8:00 AM


Read the two references I gave.

there were no references in the message to which I replied. If you have relevant references in another message, point to it or trot 'em out again so I can point out how irrelevant they are.

No matter how many references you give, mantle material is plastic and flows because of heat and pressure, and solubility does not imply liquidity.

Edited by JonF, : fix material in qs tags


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JonF
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Message 96 of 108 (729808)
06-19-2014 9:00 AM
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06-19-2014 8:02 AM


Re: From the "on/off-topic fuzzy" zone
Who gives a damn what you think YECs should think. I don't.

Went right over your head, huh? It's not I think what YECs should think, it's what the majority of YECs do think, especially all of them who have a smidgen of a clue about the properties of water.

We know a lot about the properties of water (hint: Age of Steam) and we know that bringing any appreciable amount of water from the atmosphere or above to the Earth's surface as liquid would release enough heat to boil the oceans and cook everything with thousand-degree temperatures.

Some YEC debunkings of this silly idea can be found at http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ33.html, https://answersingenesis.org/.../area/tools/flood-waters.asp, http://www.creationtoday.org/...the-flood-without-the-canopy, http://godandscience.org/youngearth/canopy.html, and http://creationwiki.org/Canopy_theory.

But we all realize that reality is of no concern to you.


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