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Message 34 of 276 (729863)
06-20-2014 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
06-20-2014 11:01 AM


Re: why not miracle
Minds might disagree but not reasonable ones.

Faith, you keep claiming that the Biblical Floods (either one, take your pick) are not miraculous. If so, then please present the natural mechanisms and forces that explain both what the chosen story claims happened and the evidence seen in reality.

If you use (as an example) the fountains of the deep then explain the physics and mechanics involved.


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Message 45 of 276 (729876)
06-20-2014 2:18 PM
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06-20-2014 1:01 PM


Re: why not miracle
LOL

You source is simply more bullshit Faith with absolutely NO explanatory power or value.

Please present the natural model, mechanism and evidence to support the falsely named "Canopy Theory".


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Message 52 of 276 (729884)
06-20-2014 10:16 PM
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06-20-2014 9:00 PM


Re: why not miracle
Do you have the natural mechanism and model that explains how sin, the Fall, had an effect on the physical Creation that brought about disease and death and destruction of many other kinds that found expression at the Flood and in other physical events?

Please present it since you claim the Biblical Floods were not a miracle.


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Message 53 of 276 (729885)
06-20-2014 10:19 PM
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06-20-2014 10:05 PM


Re: why not miracle
Anyway, the Flood would have been the result of the more than 1500 years of sin that had accumulated in the human race since the Fall. While all these things have to do with God's sovereign judgments, they also have a fine-tuning that suggests an exactness of timing that has an automatic aspect to it, as something built into the nature of the universe itself that affects it physically.

And you are about to present the natural mechanism and model that will explain all that or is this just more Creationist Biblical Bullshit?


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Message 67 of 276 (729901)
06-21-2014 8:41 AM
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06-21-2014 12:25 AM


Re: why not miracle
So when you were claiming it was a Natural Process you were wrong?

Can you explain the model, mechanism and process for that "spiritual mechanism" and how to differentiate between a "spiritual mechanism" and a miracle?


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Message 69 of 276 (729906)
06-21-2014 9:48 AM
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06-21-2014 8:52 AM


Re: why not miracle
And there were no Biblical "Floods" in the plural, there was ONE Biblical Flood that destroyed the entire planet. I don't know where you get your nonsense but that's just one of your ways of turning the Bible into gobbledygook which can only confuse people who know nothing about it.

But that is not what the Bible says. There are two mutually exclusive stories smushed together. Have you actually read the Bible Faith?

You are referring to a post that was not about the Flood but about the Fall.

But there is no story about any Fall in the Bible and even if there was, can you explain the model, mechanism and process for that "spiritual mechanism" and how to differentiate between a "spiritual mechanism" and a miracle?


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Message 93 of 276 (729939)
06-21-2014 8:50 PM
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06-21-2014 7:16 PM


Re: why not miracle
Prayer, however, by fervent faithful prayer warriors, would most certainly get a lot more rain out of those clouds than they are normally inclined to bestow.

And what exactly is the model, mechanism and evidence that supports your assertion?


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Message 133 of 276 (729989)
06-22-2014 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Faith
06-22-2014 6:08 PM


Re: why not miracle
My claim is that data in the Bible is as good as data in the field.

That is easy to test. We can send people to see if the Mojave is a desert, if the mountains are there, if the fossil exists and they can report back, but that is not true of what you call data in the Bible, is it? You can't seem to even get Christians to agree about what data is in the Bible.


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Message 171 of 276 (730033)
06-23-2014 11:10 AM
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06-23-2014 10:59 AM


Re: why not miracle
But if you want a naturalistic explanation, a change in the environment that changed the temperature of the air could have condensed the vapor into water heavy enough to fall.

A good start. Now what is the natural model, mechanism, process that will instantly turn the rain on and off all across the world?


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Message 174 of 276 (730036)
06-23-2014 11:15 AM
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06-23-2014 11:14 AM


Re: The List
But none of the items in the list are facts Faith, except for the fact that you keep repeating them and pretending they are facts.

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Message 175 of 276 (730037)
06-23-2014 11:17 AM
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06-23-2014 11:15 AM


Re: why not miracle
The Bible does. It turns on on one day and stops 40 days later.

What is the model, method, process, mechanics involved?


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Message 178 of 276 (730040)
06-23-2014 11:19 AM
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06-23-2014 11:18 AM


Re: The List
It does not matter how many times you repeat a falsehood, it does not make it true.

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Message 182 of 276 (730044)
06-23-2014 11:25 AM
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06-23-2014 11:19 AM


Re: why not miracle
But what does the Bible say Faith? What are the actual words, not what FAITH thinks it should say?

Does Genesis 7 say ...

"Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

What is the model, mechanism, process and method to open all the fountains of the deep (whatever they are) and the windows of heaven (what ever they are) on one single 24 hour day?

Once we know that we can move on to see if there is any evidence of that model, mechanism, process and method ever happening or even being possible.


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Message 186 of 276 (730048)
06-23-2014 11:41 AM
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06-23-2014 11:37 AM


Re: why not miracle
So once again instead of facts you present opinion?

As expected.


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Message 191 of 276 (730056)
06-23-2014 12:07 PM
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06-23-2014 11:47 AM


Re: why not miracle
Your view that science can tell us whether the scriptural description is possible or not is certainly opinion, reprehensible opinion that puts fallible human thought above God.

Again, God wrote the universe, man wrote the Bible. I believe what God wrote not what humans wrote.


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