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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days)  Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
I tried to ask you simple questions in a non-snarky manner and I would appreciate the same in response. I want to make certain that you don't accuse me of speaking gibberish for merely explaining things properly. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Ok. Why do you believe it (I would prefer to say accept it as true)? Why do you accept that it works on a macro scale when all you can actually see for yourself is what occurs on such a small scale? Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
So I ask again, can we please stick to things you can show us all that don't require faith or belief? Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
I am trying to get a handle on where your brain turns away from evidence the rest of us can test and into the bible where only you can see it. I mean no harm. Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Where is the data, the hard data that doesn't require faith or belief, that says what you are saying and backs up your claim? The claim that the world was completely different pre-"flood"?
Do you never check anything for yourself? Do you simply believe everything everyone tells you and take it at face value? You admitted to me earlier that you do not, in fact, do that and you have witnessed firsthand what water can do. What if I told you there are a great many other things you can do yourself to study the world around you and be able to understand it better?
Fair enough. But you don't have to just take peoples word for it: you can test their claims and see for yourself that the water cycle actually acts the way you were told it does. That is the beauty of science. And that, dear Faith, is the stark difference between faith and science and is precisely the reason I am asking you to use data that we can both test equally.
Have you never planted a seed and watched it grow? I have difficulty thinking you have not. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Did you read what he actually said? Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Now we are kinda getting somewhere. the geologic column DOES show that the planet was different in the past. However, you seem to be the only person in existence to claim it was different the way you claim. Does this fact give you no pause? Does this not make you think you need to do a hefty amount of data digging to get some hard evidence worthy of convincing others since you are intent on having discussion about it? Where is your non faith and belief evidence to support this? I will keep asking for this as long as you keep saying it was not a miracle and that there is evidence for it. You told me earlier that you had the same education as the rest of us and just believe what your teachers and preachers told you. Why did you choose to not believe your teacher about what they said about the geologic column and instead stuck to the bible? Why did you accept their explanation of the water cycle but not the geology of the planet?
It's only unreasonable if you are unwilling to do the work. If you continue to rail against everyone here about us being delusional and your model being the obvious choice, do you think it is honest of yourself to not be willing to show your work?
We have an even fuller, more detailed record written in the rocks themselves. We have methods, methods that you yourself can test for validity, to measure what these rocks say. These methods do not in any way require interpretation and ONLY rely on data that anyone can access. I want you to show me that same data you keep saying exists that says what you say.
I completely understand that it is unreasonable to expect everyone to take such a liking to science. But then I have to ask, why do you engage in scientific discussions if you admit to not having the proper knowledge or passion? You talk to everyone here as if they are the idiots, yet you admit to not really knowing more than a passing knowledge about these subjects. Is that honest of you?
It's not about what data I prefer, it is about what data is useful in these discussions. No one can have the same faith as you. No one. What we CAN have, though, is the same hard data and do the same tests. When you offer your data and the test you used to come to whatever conclusion you come to, anyone else can do the same test and see if your conclusions are valid. That is why science is useful for discovering the world and faith is useful for discovering faith.
Not true at all. You can set up an experiment to determine that plants cannot grow in rocks without sunlight or water, but instead need healthy soil, sunlight and water. I have a challenge for you: go watch a few episodes of Mythbusters to see how fun the simple scientific method can be and how you can do it yourself with little advanced schooling. I also ask that you check out the new iteration of Cosmos. Neil DeGrasse Tyson and crew, it seems to me, went to extreme lengths to make this version palatable to people on the fence about science. Would you respect a discussion with me about Jesus if I never read the bible? Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Are you now saying sin has no effect on rain? DA tried to actually give a workable explanation how sinners can cause droughts or floods. Why won't you do the same? Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Science, on the other hand, is at the very core accessible to everyone. You can gather the same data and perform the same tests as even Stephen Hawking or Michio Kaku can. Sure, they have more resources and spent far more time in school. But their knowledge is not locked away in their head. Their discoveries are right there at your fingertips for you to try. If you come to a different conclusion, you can have someone else test it and maybe even overthrow common knowledge. Here, try some of these. Do some basic scientific experiments to get an understanding of the world around you firsthand. Why does water boil? Because someone says so? What does water do when heat is applied to it? What does water do when extreme cold is applied to it? How do you find out? Through faith or experimentation? Why won't your car door open? How do you find out? Through faith or experimentation? Where is your lost dog? Do you just pray he comes home or do you go look for him? Why do we need to drink water? What happens when you don't drink water? How do you find out? Through faith or experimentation? Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Why do you keep accusing me of things I have not said or done? My view of the bible is not under discussion here since I have not brought it into the discussion. I have spoken only about strictly scientific matters and thing both you and I can test.
I admit that I have not kept strictly on topic. But that is only because I am trying to figure out where you stop accepting science and start plugging in the bible.
Am I wrong in saying that your view requires a vapor or water canopy? Not even Kent Hovind accepts that method as valid and has since stopped using it.
That is fine for faith and belief matters. But you are taking part in a science thread and you continue to rail against science. "The word of god" is such a nebulous phrase and is so vulnerable to interpretation that it is useless when trying to discuss how the world works with other people. Especially people that don't read the bible EXACTLY the same way you do. Do you wish to make an effort to have a discussion with people or do you just want to preach? Do you wish to discuss evidence to test the veracity of your claim or do you just want to preach?
If that were the case, don't you think you'd have swayed a few fence sitters or even converted a few atheists in your 13 years here? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And with that, my patience with you has worn thin and I will bow out. I tried to have a simple discussion with you, on your terms, but you are insistent on laying baseless and inflammatory accusations at everyone that you make it impossible to have a decent and successful discussion that is beneficial to all parties involved. I took some time off here at EvC to reflect on my poor attitude and I don't want you to make that all for naught. There is simply no reasoning with the clinically insane. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 14 days) Posts: 3183 Joined: |
Can you list the facts you have provided in a nice, easy to digest, free from interpretation, no need for your faith or belief, list that anyone can test? Making a list with this forum software is easy. Just do: [ list] insert list matter here [ /list] (sans the space I put after the first left bracket each time) Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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