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Message 491 of 1304 (731749)
06-29-2014 10:19 AM


what's missing?
What is the area and volume of the original Monument Valley and the area and volume of the remaining structures?

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Message 555 of 1304 (731838)
06-30-2014 7:21 PM
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06-30-2014 6:53 PM


more bullshit from Faith.
All that's true but long periods are not required on Flood timing. It deposited the sediments miles deep, the great depth compacted them, the receding Flood waters eroded away various portions of the strata, exposing various formations -- cliffs, canyons, buttes, whatever -- which are then eroded by normal processes yearly.

You keep repeating really stupid assertions like that but when asked to explain how your imaginary flood sorted the sediments you always just run away.

Is there any possibility you might EVER present the model, method or process that could do what you claim?


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Message 653 of 1304 (732061)
07-03-2014 8:15 AM
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07-03-2014 7:49 AM


it's a done deal
The problem is that the topic this forum was created to address has been answered. The only Creationists left are the conmen and the conned.

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Message 665 of 1304 (732083)
07-03-2014 10:28 AM
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07-03-2014 10:20 AM


Re: massive erosion after 100s of MYs of no massive erosion
We see only a snapshot of that process and all of the buttes will be someday gone.

Current buttes. But there will be new buttes forming.


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Message 672 of 1304 (732092)
07-03-2014 10:58 AM
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07-03-2014 10:41 AM


Re: massive erosion after 100s of MYs of no massive erosion
Except as usual you never provided a model for how the receding flood water could create the buttes and for the fact that we see erosion continuing to happen.

No Biblical Flood needed or evidenced.


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Message 676 of 1304 (732096)
07-03-2014 11:14 AM
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07-03-2014 11:02 AM


Re: massive erosion after 100s of MYs of no massive erosion
I did describe how the receding Flood water did it, also how it formed the GS and the GC.

Again, a link please to where you provided the model, method, process and not just more unsupported assertions.


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Message 679 of 1304 (732099)
07-03-2014 11:22 AM
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07-03-2014 11:20 AM


Re: massive erosion after 100s of MYs of no massive erosion
I see. So once again no link, no model, no method, no process.

Got it.


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Message 691 of 1304 (732113)
07-03-2014 12:27 PM
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07-03-2014 12:19 PM


Evidence?
I also think that the tectonic activity after the Flood is probably the cause of their emptying but I'd have to spend some time on each one specifically for that.

And your source of knowledge that there was tectonic activity associated with the alleged flood is what exactly?

Is that tectonic activity and different than the tectonic activity we see today?


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Message 727 of 1304 (732175)
07-03-2014 3:49 PM
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07-03-2014 3:12 PM


Re: Evidence?
But you ignore the Ancestral Rockies rising to the east of there, right?.

Here comes the tectonic activity associated with the end of the imagined floods. After all, that raised the Rockies which caused all the water to slosh east and wash away the Appalachians. http://www.evcforum.net/Images/Smilies/rolleyes.gif


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Message 736 of 1304 (732187)
07-03-2014 5:17 PM
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07-03-2014 4:33 PM


Re: Evidence?
That's what we do in science; as opposed to religion where conclusions are never allowed to be questioned.

In some religions and some chapters of Club Christian.


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Message 752 of 1304 (732252)
07-05-2014 12:11 PM
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07-05-2014 11:51 AM


Faith still has presented no evidence
In your case, you do not provide evidence for such an impoundment.

Faith can provide evidence of impoundment when impoundment happened. What Faith can not, has not and will not be able to do is provide evidence of any Biblical Flood connected to any impoundment. However there is evidence of glacial action connected to Lake Missoula.


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Message 759 of 1304 (732259)
07-05-2014 12:50 PM
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07-05-2014 12:45 PM


Re: Faith still has presented no evidence
The other day, learned that the Amazon River supplies fully 20% of all fresh water reaching the ocean by river flows. And yet, it carries less than a tenth of the sediment load of the Mississippi. This has some huge implications.

I wonder if that would be true if we allowed the Mississippi back into its floodplain.


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Message 762 of 1304 (732263)
07-05-2014 3:04 PM
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07-05-2014 2:31 PM


Re: Faith still has presented no evidence
I think it is important for several reasons.

The Amazon is a great example of how floods behave. We can look at what happens when there is a major flood event and see just where sediments come from and go. We can also look at the Mississippi to see how mankind changed what is natural.

Then we take that data and look for similar signs of flooding in other areas.


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Message 774 of 1304 (732278)
07-05-2014 8:22 PM
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07-05-2014 6:40 PM


Re: Faith still has presented no evidence
Comparing what a river does to what the worldwide Flood may have done hits me as really weird.

Why? In fact it is very very similar to what is described in either of the flood myths found in Genesis. The water rises, sits, lowers.


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Message 795 of 1304 (732328)
07-06-2014 3:47 PM


so would of the Biblical Floods be that different?
Faith keeps claiming great differences if one or more of the Biblical Flood stories actually happened but just what would have been different from floods we see pretty regularly?

Water rises, flood lands, gets deeper and deeper, then runs off from high ground to lower ground to sea level.

We have over 10,000 years of observing the results of different floods which is a pretty large data set so we have a pretty good idea of what a flood can and cannot do.

So far there is no known mechanism that would allow a flood to move structures like foot print trails or a nest with eggs without disturbance so if someone wishes to assert one of the Biblical Floods happened a first and necessary step would be to provide the process or mechanism and evidence that such a mechanism is possible.

So far there is no known mechanism that would allow a flood to sort things from less to more evolved so if someone wishes to assert one of the Biblical Floods happened a first and necessary step would be to provide the process or mechanism and evidence that such a mechanism is possible.

So far there is no known mechanism that would allow a flood to move structures like limestone or sand stone or granite and then deposit them by material and in order so if someone wishes to assert one of the Biblical Floods happened a first and necessary step would be to provide the process or mechanism and evidence such a mechanism is possible.

Granted all of these would only be a first step and offer almost no support to the position that any of the Biblical Flood stories actually happened but they would be necessary steps to be followed by similar examples covering the tens of thousands of data points that refute either of the Biblical Floods actually being more than myths. Any single example that cannot be adequately explains would be sufficient to toss the flood myths into the trashcan.


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