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New Cat's Eye
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Message 140 of 1304 (731398)
05-09-2014 10:48 AM


NN says everybody has thought about my arguments and they don't work. That's what everybody always says and then you show you don't have a clue as NN did on the thread about genetic diversity, not a clue. Or RAZD either. At least stop thinking you get it when you don't.

That's just what you say when you've been proven utterly wrong.

**hey guys, know what? The sky is green.

-Um, no. Look at this picture, its blue

**YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING

Your ideas are not that hard to follow, they're just incredibly misguided and painfully wrong.


  
New Cat's Eye
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Message 192 of 1304 (731450)
05-12-2014 10:10 AM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
I AM right about this and you WOULD see it if you would just think.


  
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Message 195 of 1304 (731453)
05-12-2014 10:42 AM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
When you're trying to convince someone of something, you show them the evidence for your assertion. You don't just tell them that you are right and that they would know it if they thought about it.

  
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Message 223 of 1304 (731481)
05-13-2014 10:14 AM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
It doesn't matter if a particular layer thickens or thins, I keep trying to say that, the point is that they ALL FOLLOW THAT CURVY PATH SHOWN ON THE DIAGRAM as a blocki.

What did you expect?


  
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Message 900 of 1304 (732672)
07-09-2014 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by Faith
07-09-2014 4:32 PM


Re: nuts and rocks and time periods
The Grand Canyon wasn't where it is now when the layers were being deposited. The plate that it sits on has been moving around on the planet and being subjected to all kinds of different environmental conditions throughout the whole process.

Here's an animation on plate tectonics that show how much movement has been going on:

http://youtu.be/Cm5giPd5Uro


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 945 of 1304 (732800)
07-10-2014 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 939 by Faith
07-10-2014 7:59 PM


Re: animated plate tectonics
I know you put that up to demonstrate that there must have been a variety of depositional environments with all that moving around the globe, and I suppose if we're to take that animation seriously that must be true.

Right, that's why the layers are different. Different environments.

But I got more interested in how there's a lot of tectonic bashing going on there.

Bashing is totally the wrong word. Its a slow gentle unyielding gnudging.


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Message 955 of 1304 (732820)
07-11-2014 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 947 by Faith
07-10-2014 10:15 PM


Re: animated plate tectonics
Seems to me that gnudging should have had more effects on the strata of the Silurian/Devonian/Carboniferous level than seems to be the case in the GC area at least, and I don't know why that area should be an exception when you've got continents gnudging each other.

As the layers above them build up, they get more and more pressure on them, which smushes them down and flattens and hardens them.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1230 of 1304 (733228)
07-15-2014 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1229 by Faith
07-15-2014 11:15 AM


Re: Legoland
which was built on the idea of a vertical stack of horizontal layers that are found here and there in various proportions

No, not just here and there. Its everywhere. Every single point on the surface of the Earth has layers below it. Those layers below it are called the "geological column" for that particular section of the surface.

Each section will have its own column. Some sections are bigger than others.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1233 of 1304 (733231)
07-15-2014 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
07-15-2014 11:40 AM


Re: Legoland
I'll have to look it up but the layers aren't everywhere on the earth.

Yes, they are. Everywhere.

There is no place on the surface of the Earth that does not have underlying layers. That's impossible. What would the surface be sitting on?

A Column is a VERTICAL Structure

The Geological Column isn't like a real actual "thing". Its an abstract.

It is a cross-section of what layers are underneath the ground at some particular place. Different places are going to have different columns.

If you took a giant metal tube, forced it into the ground, and then pulled out a big stack of the layers underneath, then you would have a column of the underlying geology. You could then study each layer to determine the properties of the past. Here's an example:

http://pacificsoilandwater.com/...ages/PSW_085.357220402.jpg

That represents the geological column at that particular site. If you traveled a ways away and took another bore sample, you would get a different geological column.

Edited by Catholic Scientist, : Changed humongous embedded image into a link


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1265 of 1304 (733275)
07-15-2014 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1248 by Faith
07-15-2014 12:56 PM


Re: Legoland
No, that is not the Geologic Column. Sheesh.

I didn't say it was. I said it was a geological column, which it is.

There isn't really an actual real thing that is the geological column, because its going to be different at different places.

What people refer to as the Geological Column is just an abstraction that represents all of the layers underground.

And it can certainly contain volcanic layers, and layers that aren't completely flat.


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Message 1266 of 1304 (733276)
07-15-2014 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1264 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 3:05 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
but surely you are not limiting the geological column to igneous rock?

Shit, an hour or so ago she said that the geological column is only made up of sedimentary rock, and that igneous rocks from volcanoes don't get deposited in the column.

It really is just a big old confused mess, full of nonsense and falsehoods.


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Message 1273 of 1304 (733288)
07-15-2014 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1268 by Faith
07-15-2014 3:21 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
But I never said there is no igneous rock in the Geo Column, just that it doesn't form layers like the sedimentary rock.

But it can, and it does.

If lava flows over rocks on the surface and then later more sediment is deposited upon the cool and hardened lava flow, then that lava flow will form a layer in the geological column there.


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Message 1274 of 1304 (733289)
07-15-2014 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1267 by NoNukes
07-15-2014 3:18 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
But would it be too patronizing if I noted for Faith's benefit that coal is sedimentary rock?

Sure, but that's not a coal seam... its lava flow.

Describing the rock cycle in the terms used in 8th grade science texts is the extent of my knowledge.

Especially when they're responding to the 8th grade science as if they were a 5 year old.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 1279 of 1304 (733299)
07-15-2014 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1277 by Faith
07-15-2014 5:12 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
No Nukes took back his error, time for you to do so also.

After you.

And that is a coal seam.

But its lava flow and not a coal seam.

Look at the examples I linked.

Yes, some coal seams do look like lava flow.

But that doesn't make lava flow be a coal seam.


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