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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Nice mantra. But before you can think outside the box you need to understand the box. You're sitting on a bicycle and fantasizing about how to fly a 747.
... try thinking outside your box for a change.... |
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If it erodes 5 feet in ten thousand years and it's five feet in radius, we'd expect it to be gone in ten thousand years. We can extrapolate backwards to estimate how long it's been eroding. I don't know why you think you can tell that there "shouldn't" be any left. You don't know when it started eroding.
That's about 5000 feet in ten million years for the sandstone. Pretty much takes care of that, shouldn't be any left standing without even multiplying the "tens" of millions.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And it will be gone in a few thousand years. How do you get that it "should" be gone already?
Percy said it began eroding tens of millions of years ago.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It eroded at a certain (average) rate for a certain period of time . It has been eroding long enough to be almost gone but not completely gone. What aren't you getting here? It didn't just start eroding, which would mean it would be gone in ten thousand years from now, it started eroding tens of millions of years AGO, what aren't you getting here?"I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I will. Just once it would be nice if someone acknowledged that I said something that makes sense."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
They're really not, though, are they? All they're doing is speculating what coulda/woulda/shoulda/mighta happened, to reverse-engineer a Flood from evidence that doesn't support a Flood. The creation scientists are also exploring questions about mechanism.... And you're telling us that those speculations can not be tested, so there's really no "exploration" involved, is there? You're drawing a map of what could/would/should/might be there and at the same time you're telling us that there's no way to go there to confirm your map.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I recall somebody suggesting that birds are higher in the geological column than dinosaurs because they might have been riding on dinosaurs. ... the arrangement of fossils requires Creation proponents to put forth inane explanations that do not work.Henny Youngman must be spinning in his grave.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The key word there is "do". You have to DO science. Science isn't sitting in your armchair dreaming up scenarios that might match the Bible. It's testing scenarios and rejecting the ones that don't work.
I must have missed the advice you say you gave about how to do YEC scientifically. Would you mind repeating it?
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
How is that clear? It sounds like you're saying, "Black is clearly white."
Meanwhile if sediments are collecting somewhere else entirely such as at the bottom of the ocean far from the stack in question, they are clearly not and never will be part of the Geological Time Scale OR the Geological Column.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
When I look at a set of books and notice that volume 6 is not there, I don't conclude like you do that the number 6 has ceased to exist. I conclude that the book has been removed. So if we have layers 1 to 12 elsewhere in the geological column but layer 6 is missing here, I likewise conclude that layer 6 has been removed here, say by erosion. Everyday logic.
Whole stack assumed even where gaps. Faith writes:
How is sediment being deposited on top of the geological column not part of the geological column? How is the present time not part of geological time?
Sediment depositing elsewhere is not the Geological Column OR the Geological Time Table.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I don't see how reading through your befuddled posts again will make them clearer. Can't you just answer the simple question? How is sediment deposited on top of the geological column not part of the geological column? How is the present time not part of geological time? May I respectfully suggest that you read through the whole sequence of posts on this subject starting at Message 898. The deposition didn't stop. Time didn't stop. What stopped? Edited by ringo, : Added a silent but not invisible letter.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
How is that possible? Where is sediment deposited if not on top of the geological column?
Deposition ON the column stopped.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Is the Holocene on the top of the column? All deposition is on the top of the column, regardless of when the last layer on the top of the column was deposited. The Mississippi delta is being deposited on top of whatever was there when the Mississippi started to flow. Well, show me where it is depositing on top of the Holocene somewhere. So where is the "stop"?
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The geological column was there. It doesn't matter which specific layer was there. Anything that deposits will deposit on top. How else could it be?
Well what WAS there? Do you even know? Faith writes:
Forget about time for the moment. Do you or do you not understand that everything that deposits must deposit on top of what is already there?
It is certainly NOT depositing on top of the Geological Time Table unless what lies beneath the Mississippi delta is a Holocene layer.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Why? Why on earth? Why by any stretch of the imagination?
The point is that it has to deposit on top of the most recent layer identified as the Holocene or "Recent" time in order to continue the Geological Time Table.
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